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Infantry platoon:- what has the FOC got to do with deploying?

Basically I've been play testing a few IG armies and every time I deploy an Infantry platoon I wonder what on earth is meant by "Each Infantry platoon counts as a single Troop choice on the force organisation chart when deploying, and is rolled for collectively when rolling for reserves." It would make perfect sense without "when deploying".

When deploying for DoW you deploy 2 troop + 1 HQ units. My only thought is "FOC" should be "unit" but sadly GW failed to write that. If any one could tell me what I'm missing I'd be grateful.

A FOC choice is a FOC choice.
A Unit is a Unit.
The two are not the same.

For DoW, you get 2 Troops Units, not two FOC choices.

Alerian wrote:A FOC choice is a FOC choice.
A Unit is a Unit.
The two are not the same.

For DoW, you get 2 Troops Units, not two FOC choices.

.... thank you for repeating what I said. The Question was what has the FOC got to do with deployment?

In the current rulebook standard scenarios, absolutely nothing. However, to steal a line from the Witch Hunter FAQ (re Liber Heresius):
However, there are plenty of other missions where it will still work, such as many of those in Cities of Death, in White Dwarf or those written by tournament organisers for use in their events.

Tri wrote:

Alerian wrote:A FOC choice is a FOC choice.
A Unit is a Unit.
The two are not the same.

For DoW, you get 2 Troops Units, not two FOC choices.

.... thank you for repeating what I said. The Question was what has the FOC got to do with deployment?

Nothing....period.

FOC choices and Units are two seperate things.

My first post was pretty clear about that fact.

Fair enough. Another example of GW fine rule writing skills.

Don't worry about it. You are not the first person to be confused about it, and you certainly won't be the last.

The only think the FOC has to do with deployment (in the standard Missions anyway) is letting you know which units you might decide to deploy in DoW. Nothing else really.

The IG has multiple "independent" units in a single FOC. Squadrons, for example, are a unit but can also be a FOC too. This can be confusing when it comes down to games. You have to pay close attention to the wording in the game rules.

I actually had this come up in a game earlier today as I was playing my brand new 500 pts of IG for the first time (victory!) against a guy playing AoBR Orks. We rolled DOW and I asked the redshirt in the store if in deploying 2 troops choices meant I could deploy the entire platoon as one troops unit. He said yes, the ENTIRE platoon counts as one troops unit.

We ended up switching to spearhead since we are both new to the gaming aspect of 40k, but I'd like to see this addressed in an errata/FAQ soon (wishful thinking)

unclehomefries wrote:I actually had this come up in a game earlier today as I was playing my brand new 500 pts of IG for the first time (victory!) against a guy playing AoBR Orks. We rolled DOW and I asked the redshirt in the store if in deploying 2 troops choices meant I could deploy the entire platoon as one troops unit. He said yes, the ENTIRE platoon counts as one troops unit.

We ended up switching to spearhead since we are both new to the gaming aspect of 40k, but I'd like to see this addressed in an errata/FAQ soon (wishful thinking)

And he would be right if this was the last codex. The new codex does nothing to make them deploy together. I started this thread to see if i was missing a rule, to do with FOC and deploying. I wasn't, they've nothing in common.

Tell your redshirt he is an idiot and to lrn2play40k

Aside from everyone generally agreeing that the red shirt was an idiot (remind me to tell you the time I played one who thought it was fun to play a morghor chaos spawn beastman army with 40+ chaos spawns) , what I think the book is referring to is deploying from reserve/outflank. meaning that for the purposes of deploying in a special manor, I.E. reserve or outflank, then you roll once for the whole infantry platoon instead of unit by unit like it says on page 36 of the dex. In other words the dex is actually clarifying the rule instead of leaving it ambiguous.

Edit: pg 36

Yes but it reads much better with out "when deploying" ...

"Each Infantry platoon counts as a single Troop choice on the force organisation chart and is rolled for collectively when rolling for reserves."

... See no mention of deployment and it still makes sense within your context

Edit it would also make more sense if they left out FOC then they could deploy at the same time...

"Each Infantry platoon counts as a single Troop choice when deploying, and is rolled for collectively when rolling for reserves."

... but that's not what we've got.

You can still start DOW w/ over 100 men on the board, so it's not total loss for IG

Just merge two 50 man platoons, two units of troops and a CCS to give them both BiD!

I'm pulling this from my memory, but doesn't DOW say "You may place up to 2 Troops and 1 HQ choice at the begining of the game."

This would indicate the amount deployable would actualy be based on the FOC

Mars.Techpriest wrote:I'm pulling this from my memory, but doesn't DOW say "You may place up to 2 Troops and 1 HQ choice at the begining of the game."

This would indicate the amount deployable would actualy be based on the FOC

Close but no Cigar. It says you may place one HQ Unit and two Troops units. This means things that dont take up an FoC Selection but still "count as" that selection (such as: The Emperors Champion [HQ], Dedicated Transports [Selection of the Unit it was Bought For], Summoned lesser Daemons [Troops], New IG priests [HQ])

Mars.Techpriest wrote:I'm pulling this from my memory, but doesn't DOW say "You may place up to 2 Troops and 1 HQ choice at the begining of the game."

This would indicate the amount deployable would actualy be based on the FOC

No it is "units" specifically. The example given is of a Tactical Squad inside their Rhino being both Troops units available for Deployment.

Damn posting when I don't have the book with me.