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Due to the realization that the current chaos codex doesn't even mention quite a few chapters, among them one of the coolest, i decided to brew up a special character for the Iron Warriors, since they receive almost no love. I still need a points value for him.

Raylor The Iron-Skulled
WS:6 BS:5 S:4(8) T:4 W:4 I:4 A:3(4) Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear:
Terminator Armor
The Tyrannical Fists.The Tyrannical Fists are a Pair of chainfists (bonus already included in profile), with a pair of Storm Bolters integrated in to them. They may fire together as a Twin Linked storm bolter.

Special Rules:
Eternal Warrior
Stubborn
Preferred Enemy: Space Marines (specifically of the Imperial Fists chapter)

Iron Within! Iron Without!
Any army containing Raylor the Iron-Skulled may not take any Icons of Chaos, instead, for 45 points, they may take and Icon of the Iron warriors, that gives them +1BS
Furthermore, Any army containing Raylor may take Chaos Vindicators as Fast Attack choices as well as Heavy Support Choices.

Siege Masters:
At the Beginning of the Game, After both sides have deployed, Any army containing Raylor the Iron-Skulled may choose to fire All Friendly Vindicators on the field. If they choose to do this, the Vindicators may not move next turn, but they may still fire.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Don't forget the arbitrary tax that you should add to all homebrew rules (for no apparent reason).

We've been through that, we're never going to agree one that, don't turn this thread into an argument.

Quick question - do you pay for the +1BS? And if the Chainfists are included in his profile, why is he A3 rather than A4? Don't Chaos Lords have A3 base, and with +1A for having 2CCWs he'd be A4, no?

You're right, typo

My only real concern though is the 'fire the Vindis!' rule - how often are you in range at the start of the game?

Rarely. You get some free shots at enemy infiltrators or scouts (up to 6 if you want to pay for that many vindis) or if you both deployed right up to the start of your deployment, on a small Table.


I updated his wargear to give him a ranged weapon, as well as raised the price of the Iron Warriors Icon.


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Also: Pricing
Lord with Terminator Armor and two lightning claws is 130 points.
+20 for the bonuses to his statline
+10 for the Chainfists instead of lightning claws
+10 for the Storm Bolters.

Bring him to 170.

+30 for his Iron Within!
+20 for Siege Masters
+30 for Eternal Warrior and Preferred Enemy.

I'd prefer him to be cheaper, so I think I'll bring him down to base Chaos Lord stats.
Putting him at 230 points.

Sound Fair?

Alright, that looks fair, and he certainly does need playtesting, as, like you pointed out, for 20-30 points more Calgar Destroys him without question, but Raylor rips vehicles far better, and BS5 CSM is pretty scary, even for a 40 points Icon.

Another thread successfully derailed by HMBC and his incredible talent to take issue with ridiculously trivial things.

*applause* nicely done, maybe the next thread you post in will be even LESS on topic and civil.

whitedragon wrote:

AllWillFall2Me wrote:Though, I did just remember: While I'm fine with it, "Iron Within, Iron Without" seems a little weird. Why exactly does this catchphrase epitomize the Iron Warriors' greater skill with weaponry? With a name like that, I'd imagine Stubborn or something.

I believe "Iron Within, Iron without" is the IRON HANDS catchphrase, not the IRON WARRIORS, but I could be wrong. Also, you're right it doesn't exactly sound like something that makes you more skilled with weapons, but rather more stalwart and resolute, like Iron.

Also, the I4 is a waste and hardly a "detriment" if the guy has a chainfist, which strikes last anyway. If you are trying to claim a points discount because he is I4, that's kinda lame.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Iron_Warriors
"Battle Cry: Iron Within, Iron Without!"
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Iron_Hands
"Battle Cry:The Flesh Is Weak!"

Iron Within making them more skilled in weapons is there because they are ranged specialists, and seeing as how
a.) +1 Toughness is taken
b.) Invuln save increase is taken
c.) a whole army of 2+ armor saves running around would be wildly overpowered, or way too expensive to take.
d.) Same with adding vehicle armor.
e.) Morale effect is taken
I figured it would be better to make them better at shooting.

I threw him at I4 because I knew it didn't matter what init he was.