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Hey fellow Kroosaders.

Need your advice, and here's why - I play Tau and my wife plays Orks. I've been playing her Orks lately, and have a lot more fun with them than I do with my Tau. I'm having trouble settling into a "rhythm" with her Orks as far as what works with a "generalized, take-all-comers" list.

In 1500,1850,2k+ points, I typically run a speed-freak type army. Ghazghkull + 10 individually equipped nobs in a Trukk, 4-5 other trukks full of boyz (Nob w/ PK), Battlewagon full of 'Ard Boyz, sometimes with Mad Dok attached depending on points, and if I can fit it in there (1850) I add Snikrot + Kommandos.

Now...before I make the wrong impression, I don't have trouble with Orks. I'm tactically competent, and I rarely lose. If I don't win a tournament, you can be sure I'm in second. The problem is that I can't seem to settle into a "this works against anyone decently" list. What I described above has serious issues against a vehicles and Nidzilla lists for obvious reasons. I believe Orks can shoot well, assault well, but you have to pick one or the other. My lists tend towards being "assaulty."

Beyond what I described above, I have additional stuff, as described below:

1. 2 Deff Dreads - they always seem to get immobilized or destroyed before doing anything, so I tend to shy away from them.
2. 60 Gretchin - I use them when I experiment with foot-slogging armies to give me 4+ cover saves.
3. 2 battlewagons, and a third soon to arrive.
4. Enough Lootas and other models to proxy if I need to.
5. I'm contemplating acquiring some Killa-kans.
6. 15 Warbikers that I have sometimes proxied as Nob bikers, including a homemade Wazdakka.
7. Zagstruk and as many stormboyz as I need to have or proxy.
8. A total of 4 trukks.
9. A Shokk attack gun, extra Nobs, boyz, extra warboss(s)
10. About 12 Deff-Koptas

I've tried making shooty lists (shoota boyz instead of slugga boyz, with Lootas in the back), along with foot slogging lists (massive blocks of 30 boyz), or adding in Deffkoptas as anti-tank and I keep coming back to mechanized Orks. I always seem to run into a roadblock with landraiders, heavy vehicles, and Nidzillas regardless of what I try though.

What I could use is some advice on what YOU would change, and how specifically it would fill a gap and improve my ability to create a "take all comers" list.

I'd suggest your using too much specialised stuff and not enough bog standard boys, the only thing that really has an effect on av14 and MC's is powerklaws this is the 1500 I run with (as it's both shooty and hitty)

Big Mek KFF and Burna

Big Mek Shokk Attk Gun BP and ammo grot

12 lootas

10 Kommandos 1 with burna and Snikrot

30 choppa boyz w/nob pk/bp
30 choppa boyz w/nob pk/bp
20 shoota boyz w/nob pk/bp 2 big shoota
20 shoota boyz w/nob pk/bp 2 big shoota

10 grots and runtherd

3 Kannons plus 2 ammo grots

Try take kanz instead of grots as cover and yes ure dreads will take ALOT of fire but thats a good thing then other things will survive.

mega armoured war boss with cybork body and boss polew/ 6 mega nobs w twin linked shootas throw them in a open top battle waggon(no add ons)
29 boyz one nob w/ pk and slugga
29 boz one nob w/ pk and slugga
30 boyz
25 boyz
deff koptas x3 w/ twin linked rokkits and one with buzz saw
deff koptas x3 w/ twin linked rokkits and one with buzz saw





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this list cost arund 1495pts and is very fun to play