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 Miguelsan wrote:
House Raven is Chaos now? I never had a chance to field them :(

M.

Some are. Note 4/5 knights were out of the home world. Aka 4/5 of the house is still loyal.

Same statline same problems gets my vote for the new thread name

Hehe. Hope all is well folks

Imperial Knights: Now with more Stomp

M.

 Miguelsan wrote:
Imperial Knights: Now with more Stomp

M.

Should be "Now with less Stomp" since they are giving the melee weapons a sweep profile (by their own admission to reduce how much the Knights just tapdance on people).

Oh, you are right. /SadKnightemote

M.

 Miguelsan wrote:
House Raven is Chaos now? I never had a chance to field them :(

M.

Where is this info from? That's the House I run with Metalica. I hope they don't invalidate my stuff.

In one of the psychic awakening books Be'lakor spirited Kolossus, the homeworld of House Raven, into the warp or something. My understanding is that Raven still exists, they are just trying to recover their planet.

What bmsattler said.


M.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/19/honourable-imperial-knights-gain-glorious-benefits-for-following-the-code-chivalric/

The second pledge doesn't seem to be very good unless the baby knights are still ObSec. Otherwise you are one guardsman away at the critical point from losing honor.

M.

 Miguelsan wrote:
The second pledge doesn't seem to be very good unless the baby knights are still ObSec. Otherwise you are one guardsman away at the critical point from losing honor.

M.

Seeing it refers to models with this ability that are obsec already you can bet quite a bit there's obsec units and armigers are most likely candinates still.

Also, you would not lose Honor unless you abandoned an objective during your turn. The enemy can take them away from you on their turn and it doesn't matter. The loss comes when you hold fewer objectives at the end of your turn than you held at the beginning of your turn.

This Oath synergizes very well with the Imperial Knight secondary and Stranglehold, which I believe are exclusive to each other. The extra CP a turn seems pretty big too. I was originally down on these abilities, but they seem pretty good at second look. It will come down to what the others are, and what restrictions they impose.

bmsattler wrote:
Also, you would not lose Honor unless you abandoned an objective during your turn. The enemy can take them away from you on their turn and it doesn't matter. The loss comes when you hold fewer objectives at the end of your turn than you held at the beginning of your turn.

Good point, I totally didn't read it that way.

M.

GW updated the Balance Dataslate. Knights got their ObSec back.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/zNYDiBPKGflEhGZp.pdf

Between this and the things that have been previewed, I'm thinking I need to dig out and finish working on all my Knight stuff. Maybe try to "get ahead of the meta" a little bit.

bmsattler wrote:
In one of the psychic awakening books Be'lakor spirited Kolossus, the homeworld of House Raven, into the warp or something. My understanding is that Raven still exists, they are just trying to recover their planet.

Too many books to keep up with. That's... Fine though. As long as Raven sticks around, it's all good. Glad they didn't outright invalidate them.

Another rules preview up on WarCom - again offering loads of ways to buff armigers.

Bit disappointing, I don't mind a couple of the little guys but feel they really want you to bring loads of them with the array of rules that effect them.

 WisdomLS wrote:
Another rules preview up on WarCom - again offering loads of ways to buff armigers.

Bit disappointing, I don't mind a couple of the little guys but feel they really want you to bring loads of them with the array of rules that effect them.

Gotta sell those models. But actually a nice combined-arms approach is kinda cool for Knights.

Preorder next Saturday for those that haven’t seen

How are the leaks looking for allting in a knight for SW or other armies? Funsies?

Based on what they did for Chaos Knights, you'll probably be able to ally in a freeblade knight in a Superheavy Aux detachment and not break the Space Wolves pure rules like Doctrines or Armor of Contempt. The knight itself probably won't have access to warlord traits or relics.

bmsattler wrote:
Based on what they did for Chaos Knights, you'll probably be able to ally in a freeblade knight in a Superheavy Aux detachment and not break the Space Wolves pure rules like Doctrines or Armor of Contempt. The knight itself probably won't have access to warlord traits or relics.

Elsewhere it was said that Knights/Armiger become agents and so are usable in an SM/SoB/IG army.

Someone needs to motivate the leakers

Nids was months ahead of release. Good hard working leakers

Now, on the cusp of the official previews this weekend and we haven’t had a single blurry page to speak of

Leakers these days I tell you. No stamina

We might also want to come up with a catchy title for a new tactics thread for the new book. Something like, "Imperial Knights 9E Tactics: Stompy Robots Gonna Stomp". Okay, actually that was terrible, but I'm sure we can figure out something better.

 Ideasweasel wrote:
Someone needs to motivate the leakers

Nids was months ahead of release. Good hard working leakers

Now, on the cusp of the official previews this weekend and we haven’t had a single blurry page to speak of

Leakers these days I tell you. No stamina

Its most annoying

I'm holding out hope that they have made IK & CK quite different instead of just being spikey or smooth reflections of each other.

Chaos knights have a bigger model range as they get all our models (other than perceptor) plus a couple of different medium and a couple of different small knights and the additional weapon options they confer. They then get some very powerful indiviual buffs and some great stacking aura debuffs.

So I'm hoping that we compensate for that by having more layered army buffs and rules and possible slightly different datasheets given we are less customisable - different datasheet is unlikely I know but otherwise I think Chaos may just be IK+

The stuff they have shown on Warcom has been very strong. The Oaths and Bondsmen mechanics are excellent and set IK apart from CK.

The new War Dogs for CK are very good though.

Well I am holding out hope we have ways to improve our base weapons.

Avenger Gatling Cannon - pants, nothing else to say.

Conflagration flamer - 3D6, much the same issues as above. No change somehow, really thought they would update it

Harpoon - what a misstep, should of had a melee profile. I cant believe such a cool looking weapon has such meh rules. If anything was deserving of an ignores invulnerable rule - this thing is it. If Tau can get one at better range on a cheaper chassis...i dunno. Even nerfing the damage would be acceptable to accommodate it as I can count on the hand of a blind Simpsons carpenter character how many things in 4 years the harpoon has killed. It always bounces off an invulnerable save or whiffs.

Volcano cannon - D3 makes me nervous, will depend on your opponents by my area is plagued with good invulnerable saves and you could see this gun do nothing. The damage wasn't the issue it was getting wounds through. Will depend on access to rerolls and a cold eradication type mechanic

Plasma - 2D6 Still....I get nervous with that so hopefully a way to make it consistent, nice damage changes though. Overall positive though

Rapid fire battle cannon - 72" range, can someone tell me why GW makes guns have this now. Assuming we are all using even half sensible levels of terrain, who can line up a shot even remotely close to the limits on this. Taking a Paladin is weird (long range gun and melee combo) and I am not sure if a Crusader platform warrants this. It got buffed but suffers from random shots still.

The thermal changes are nice, they don't feel too flashy but they are buffs so got to focus on the positives I guess. Hoping the humble Magaera can still hang and isn't restricted by keywords



A friend did point out something funny though as I have a bit of chaos envy with their fun new kits and options.

Their wardogs gatling wounds our knights on 4's

but our big gatling gun wounds their dogs on 5's lol

#JusticeForTheAVG

 Ideasweasel wrote:
Well I am holding out hope we have ways to improve our base weapons.

Avenger Gatling Cannon - pants, nothing else to say.

Conflagration flamer - 3D6, much the same issues as above. No change somehow, really thought they would update it

Harpoon - what a misstep, should of had a melee profile. I cant believe such a cool looking weapon has such meh rules. If anything was deserving of an ignores invulnerable rule - this thing is it. If Tau can get one at better range on a cheaper chassis...i dunno. Even nerfing the damage would be acceptable to accommodate it as I can count on the hand of a blind Simpsons carpenter character how many things in 4 years the harpoon has killed. It always bounces off an invulnerable save or whiffs.

Volcano cannon - D3 makes me nervous, will depend on your opponents by my area is plagued with good invulnerable saves and you could see this gun do nothing. The damage wasn't the issue it was getting wounds through. Will depend on access to rerolls and a cold eradication type mechanic

Plasma - 2D6 Still....I get nervous with that so hopefully a way to make it consistent, nice damage changes though. Overall positive though

Rapid fire battle cannon - 72" range, can someone tell me why GW makes guns have this now. Assuming we are all using even half sensible levels of terrain, who can line up a shot even remotely close to the limits on this. Taking a Paladin is weird (long range gun and melee combo) and I am not sure if a Crusader platform warrants this. It got buffed but suffers from random shots still.

The thermal changes are nice, they don't feel too flashy but they are buffs so got to focus on the positives I guess. Hoping the humble Magaera can still hang and isn't restricted by keywords



A friend did point out something funny though as I have a bit of chaos envy with their fun new kits and options.

Their wardogs gatling wounds our knights on 4's

but our big gatling gun wounds their dogs on 5's lol

#JusticeForTheAVG

I feel you, I know Chaos Knights haven't had the best of runs but this is....a bit much in terms of imbalance. I love the new rules and new models they are getting, it just seems like Imperial stuff is fairly lack luster it seems all about buffing armigers....which you have less choice in using and customizing, on tops of their honor rules being fairly bland AND hard to keep up. Outside of point costs theres no downsides to taking the chaos stuff, its active all the time and you can even change it on the fly. The Imperial stuff seems to punish you for the possibility of getting rubbish rules and forces you to take weaker models. Maybe the royal court will be better but can you really compete with +1 in to movement when the other guy has +1A? Even in the imperial book you get a regen wound vs that 1" move (and yes I am feeling gatling envy from the war dogs).

Imperial Knights seem to have a much stronger mission game. They can do actions while moving/shooting and get a number of serious buffs to the Armigers that let them impact the game more. At the same time, you need the big knights to make the little knights work. If one of the two Oaths they didn't spoiler is a +1 to hit with ranged, that would be amazing. We've had the Chaos Knight codex spoilered so its easy to focus on its strengths, but the Imperial Knight codex was written by the same folks. I am at least willing to wait and see what they give us!

bmsattler wrote:
Imperial Knights seem to have a much stronger mission game. They can do actions while moving/shooting and get a number of serious buffs to the Armigers that let them impact the game more. At the same time, you need the big knights to make the little knights work. If one of the two Oaths they didn't spoiler is a +1 to hit with ranged, that would be amazing. We've had the Chaos Knight codex spoilered so its easy to focus on its strengths, but the Imperial Knight codex was written by the same folks. I am at least willing to wait and see what they give us!

I can see that, and Im still holding out hope. It just *currently* isn't looking all that hot. I guess im also not a fan of "having" to take armigers (I have like 8 big knights). My only concern is a lot of the dual releases lately have had one clear winner and one clear loser (ie Genestealers/Custodes, Tson/GKs, etc)

It was said elsewhere that Imperial Knights focus more on synergies and Chaos Knights focus more on individual models.
Not a bad move, GW.