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I played this like 8 years ago but never got real good. I'm thinking of coming back and Making an Eldar army. Maybe 1000-1500 points? Also would like some suggestions of a first buy, Thinking about Striking Scorpions Thanks!!

If you like Scorpions get some of them and the Eldar Battleforce, probably the best way to start by having some of your favorites straight away.

You should get a box or two of Dire Avengers, a squad or two of Rangers/Pathfinders, Fire Dragons, grab a Farseer and an Avatar, then make sure you get two Fire Prisms and a Falcon.

That's what I started out with and it's pretty destructive.

So Scorpions arent bad? I never see them in anyones armies. Will pick up Rangers too for sure and the Battleforce.

Their not bad, their just usually over shown by the Howling Banshees. With the mass amount of MEQ armies out there, the power weapons are gold. I enjoy them, and if you want to go with them, by all means do.

You can go with a Fire Prism as some have suggested, but I've found their not needed to field a decent Eldar army. I own one, never have used it, and have a pretty good win ratio.

There is no set way to play Eldar. Their good with many differant combinations, in many differant ways.

Don't get the battlefore, it's not a significant savings, and you'll kick yourself in the long run when you figure out how bad guardian defenders are.

If you like scorpions, try this:

Karandras

2 boxes of scorpions

2 boxes of pathfinders.

You'd have a pretty fun little all-infiltrating army until you figured out a direction you'd like to go in.

The battleforce is a really good core for eldar. Guardians are not terrible, just Dire Avengers are better. The battleforce plus an additional wave serpent gives you a very nice core for a mech force. The war walker that comes with the 'force can be sold on ebay or used to mess around with. Outflanking war walkers are a really good choice.

So...

1x Farseer

1x Striking Scorpion Squad

1x DA squad in Wave Serpent
1x Guardian Squad with Warlock in Wave Serpent

1x War Walker
1x Fire Prism

Is a very healthy Mechanized Eldar core, and uses the most models out of the battleforce as well as a minimum number of extra purchases. Don't forget magnets for all your vehicle weapons, and the guardian's platform.

1x Battleforce
1x Farseer + warlocks box
1x Fire Prism
1x Wave Serpent
1x Striking Scorpions box

About 200 dollars or so for 1000 points, fully mechanized.

Wait, what was the IG question?

whitedragon wrote:The battleforce is a really good core for eldar. Guardians are not terrible, just Dire Avengers are better. The battleforce plus an additional wave serpent gives you a very nice core for a mech force. The war walker that comes with the 'force can be sold on ebay or used to mess around with. Outflanking war walkers are a really good choice.

So...

1x Farseer

1x Striking Scorpion Squad

1x DA squad in Wave Serpent
1x Guardian Squad with Warlock in Wave Serpent

1x War Walker
1x Fire Prism

Is a very healthy Mechanized Eldar core, and uses the most models out of the battleforce as well as a minimum number of extra purchases. Don't forget magnets for all your vehicle weapons, and the guardian's platform.

1x Battleforce
1x Farseer + warlocks box
1x Fire Prism
1x Wave Serpent
1x Striking Scorpions box

About 200 dollars or so for 1000 points, fully mechanized.

You're forgetting that the battleforce only comes with 5 dire avengers. Also, if there's another troop that's better in the same book, it kind of makes one troop terrible by default, and yes, especially when compared to troops units from other codices, Guardian Defenders are bottom-of-the-barrel. Gaunts are better.

I agree with willydstyle here.
Guardians are not worth the crunch except, MABYE, the weopons you can but in thier squads. And even then they're only BS 3.

If you like Striking Scorpions then definitle go with willdstyle's recommended list. It's a completely legal army, entirely infiltrating and gives your army a fantastic theme! The Shadow Army or something...

Emperors Faithful wrote:I agree with willydstyle here.
Guardians are not worth the crunch except, MABYE, the weopons you can but in thier squads. And even then they're only BS 3.

If you like Striking Scorpions then definitle go with willdstyle's recommended list. It's a completely legal army, entirely infiltrating and gives your army a fantastic theme! The Shadow Army or something...

Well, it's themed for sure, but the big (and I mean HUGE!) problem is the complete lack of anti-tank, except via CC with Scorpions Claws, and/or Biting Blades.

Hmmm, your right there. But you can TRY to ignore the bigger vehicles (Monoliths and Land Raiders etc) and go for the light vehichles with your rangers. They are rending right?

Emperors Faithful wrote:Hmmm, your right there. But you can TRY to ignore the bigger vehicles (Monoliths and Land Raiders etc) and go for the light vehichles with your rangers. They are rending right?

Yeah, but the chance for any individual shot to rend is pretty low, and they can't even pen AV 12, though the fact they can get AP1 does help for anti-light-vehicle duty, it's not reliable at all.

You could go for some war-walkers for anti-tank, they've got scouts which is fairly themed, but to be honest the only really good anti-tank in the Eldar book is fire dragons, which would be hard to fit into an all-infiltrating foot-guard list.

Actually pathfinders rend on 4&5's (whoops; 5&6's) to hit don't they?

But you're right. It is a problem. What kind of anti-tank weapons can you put on a War-Walker?

Rangers and Pathfinders don't Rend on the to-hit roll, but can get AP1 on the to-hit roll, with Rending on the to-wound roll like most sniper weapons (or the penetration roll against vehicles).

So, unlike most snipers, they can get AP1 rends which can pen up to armor 11, and glance armor 12, however, they're not super-likely to do do either. It's one of those "don't got anything else to shoot at so I guess I'll try this" situations.

You can put EMLs which are pretty good up to AV13, or Bright Lances on Warwalkers, though a unit with Bright Lances is very expensive, and very fragile.

Hmmm, it's a tough choice.
By the way thanks for that info on pathfinders. My brother has used that rule on me for ages.

Anyway. This is where you draw the line. How far are you willing to go for the sake of a theme. Never forget that a theme is extremely important to an army.
And in small battles it is REALLY tough to fit in AV13 or 14 vehichles.

Also pathfinders are all but impossible to root out of covered areas without flamers.


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Hey!
I've just had a flash of inspiration!

What if you also get a Wraithlord, yet don it up or paint it so that it looks stealthy?

Wraithlords are piloted by the spirits of dead warriors, no?
Then what is to say that that warrior spirit didn't belong to a striking scorpion?

Nerf_IG wrote:Wait, what was the IG question?

Wasent sure on which to choose when I started the thread and decided this would be only about the Eldar, sorry about that.

Wraithlords could definitely fit into the force, envisioning it as an Eldar "Jungle Fighters" army.

Wraithlords have move through cover, and can have twin-flamers, both of which are invaluable in heavy terrain.

I figured war-walkers would also fit as they have Scouts and can outflank.

Here is a 1750 army I thought of based on infiltrating, outflanking, and deepstriking:

Autarch, fusion gun, warp spider jump pack, mandiblasters, power weapon

Autarch, same as above

10 striking scorpions, exarch w/ move through cover, infiltrate, power fist

10 striking scorpions, same as above

5 pathfinders

5 pathfinders

5 pathfinders

2 war walkers w/ 4 bright lancces

2 war walkers, same as above

6 warp spiders, exarch w/ twin deathspinner, powerblades, withdraw

6 warp spiders same as above.

Autarchs go with warp spiders.

Reserves will arrive on turn two a lot of the time.

So stoked on starting this after the posts above.

I'm thinking about:

Karandras

2 boxes of scorpions

2 boxes of Rangers (Pathfinders are rangers right?)

1 Wraithlord

Is there any leader that could be used for the Rangers? I'm coming up with the background and making them really dark/stealthy like stated before maybe using brown. Thanks again for all the help everyone : )

Pathfinders are just an upgrade for the rangers.

If you are going to use wraithlords, you'll need a warlock, so a farseer with a warlock squad could be nice and thematically appropriate.

There really is no Ranger-oriented HQ.

Are pathfinders the same models though? Why should I get Warlocks? I have no idea so it's a genuine question.

If you don't have a psyker within 6" of a wraithlord at the beginning of the turn, you have to roll to see if it becomes stupid. Granted, it only shuts down on a 1, but when those ones come up, it's a pretty big deal.

You can also upgrade a warlock to be a "spiritseer" and the range is increased to 12".

Pathfinders and rangers are the same models unless you want to get fancy.

Well, you can give a warlock conceal, but I would advise agianst it. There is no way they can go in with an 'infiltrating army' theme. Oh well, they can if you paint/model them right.

With that list you've got there it's awesome that, whether you get first turn or second turn, the enemy has no idea where you are deploying. (as you can infiltrate in your own deployment zone I would imagine)

The one weakness is that the Wraithlord would be there so they would posistion there anti-Wraithlord stuff in front of it. This could also be an advantage as you have a rough idea as to where they are going to be deploying said stuff.


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On seeing your spiritseer argument. Mabye one warlock...
Just mabye...One...
But it's also cool as witchblades are often underestimated.
(Who do you think they will be aiming at?)

So could I still get what I posted

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http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1020000&prodId=prod1060080

Yes. What you posted plus that box would give you a sneaky infiltrating army, with a very tough centre. Don't go crazy with the farseer's wargear, fortune, doom, and spirit stones should be enough.

Farseer+Warlocks+Fortune=major pain in the backside for your opponent. Doom is there to multiply the pain on whatever unit is giving you the most problems.

J.Black wrote:Yes. What you posted plus that box would give you a sneaky infiltrating army, with a very tough centre. Don't go crazy with the farseer's wargear, fortune, doom, and spirit stones should be enough.

Farseer+Warlocks+Fortune=major pain in the backside for your opponent. Doom is there to multiply the pain on whatever unit is giving you the most problems.

Thanks, awesome job painting those Scorpions How hard were those to paint?

Tip: Get Green. Mabye some yellow. Also in some way striking scorpion remind me of that Predator thing, you know, same dreadlocks, just not halfnaked...