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Lolwut?

In the run-up to the 2007 City Council elections in Statesboro, Ga., a voter registration drive put more than 2,000 new voters on the city’s rolls, most of them students at Georgia Southern University. In a city as small as Statesboro — a few hundred people typically voted in some council districts — the influx of new voters meant candidates backed by college students had the potential to reap big rewards.


But an ad hoc coalition of locals called the Statesboro Citizens for Good Government challenged many of the new registrants, asking them to be purged from the voter rolls on the grounds that they were not residents of Statesboro under the guidelines of local election law.


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So, college students who could support people who want to support them are being forced out of voting by a bunch of hicks?

Wow, America is nearly as dumb as the stereotypical media image given to it. Nearly.

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More or less. That's why I refuse to vote. About anything. The world could have a vote on whether or not to destroy the world, and my vote could be the decideing factor...Guess who doesn't give a gak? Me.

If it has to be put to a vote, that means that the government is hiding something in the legal jargon that won't benefit me so screw 'em.
   
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Is this kind of thing common in the US(I mean "voter caging",not backwards hicks)?

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Yes... it is. Heres what Wikipedia has to say about it...

1980s
In 1981 and 1986 the Republican National Committee (RNC) sent out letters to predominately African-American neighborhoods. When tens of thousands of them were returned undeliverable, the party successfully challenged the voters and had them deleted from voting rolls. Due to the violation of the Voting Rights Act, the RNC was taken to court. Its officials entered a consent decree which prohibited the party from engaging in anti-fraud initiatives that targeted minorities or conducting mail campaigns to "compile voter challenge lists."[5]


[edit] 2004 US Election
BBC journalist Greg Palast obtained an RNC document entitled "State Implementation Template III.doc" that described Republican election operations for caging plans in numerous states. The paragraph in the document pertaining to caging was:

V. Pre Election Day Operations New Registration Mailing
At whatever point registration in the state closes, a first class mailing should be sent to all new registrants as well as purged/inactive voters. This mailing should welcome the recipient to the voter rolls. It is important that a return address is clearly identifiable. Any mail returned as undeliverable for any reason, should be used to generate a list of problematic registrations. Poll watchers should have this list and be prepared to challenge anyone from this list attempting to vote.[6][7]

Shortly before the 2004 election, Palast also obtained a caging list for Jacksonville, Florida, which contained a high number of African Americans and registered Democrats. The caging list was attached to an email which a Florida Republican party official was sending to RNC headquarters official Tim Griffin. [7] [8] [9]
The Republican National Committee sent letters to predominately urban minority areas in Ohio. When 35,000 letters were returned as undeliverable, the party employed poll watchers to challenge the voters. Voting rights groups challenged the RNC in a case that went to the Supreme Court, but the RNC was not stopped from challenging those voters. Similarly, the RNC sent out 130,000 letters in Philadelphia hoping to cage voters there. Philadelphia is a city with a majority African American population that votes heavily Democratic. The Republicans were attempting to cage votes by people who were likely to vote for the Democratic candidates. [10]
In the Ohio court challenge, the RNC submitted a caging list that targeted urban and African-American areas in and around Cleveland.[11]
Journalists found evidence that the Republican National Committee (RNC) attempted to use caging to suppress votes in five states in the 2004 US presidential election. For example, in New Jersey RNC officials used caging lists to challenge absentee ballots and absentee ballot requests.[12]

[edit] 2008 US Election
As noted earlier, the Republican Secretary of State in Michigan was found purging voters from voting rolls when voter ID cards were returned as undeliverable. In the court challenge, the federal judge ordered the state to reinstate the voters.[13] The judge ruled that the state's actions were in violation of the NVRA. His decision noted that there was no way to prevent qualified voters from being disfranchised as their cards may be returned as undeliverable due to postal error, clerical error, inadvertent routing within a multi-unit dwelling, and even simple misspelling or transposition of numbers in an address. [14]
In December 2007, Kansas GOP Chair Kris Kobach sent an email boasting, "[T]o date, the Kansas GOP has identified and caged more voters in the last 11 months than the previous two years!"[15]
Republicans sent out fundraising mailers to voters in five Florida counties: Duval, Hillsborough, Collier, Miami-Dade and Escambia, with 'do not forward' on the letters. The mailers included inaccurate Voter ID numbers and ostensibly confirmed with voters they were registered as Republican. The RNC declined to discuss the mailer with the St. Peterburg Times. A representative denied the mailing had anything to do with caging. "Two top Florida elections officials, both Republicans, faulted the GOP mailing, calling it "confusing" and "unfortunate" because of a potential to undermine voter confidence by making them question the accuracy of their registrations." Some officials expressed concern that the RNC would try to use a caging list derived from the mailers.[16]
In Northern California reports of voter caging emerged when letters marked 'do not forward' were sent to Democrats with fake voter ID numbers. The description of the letters matches the letters that were sent out in Florida.[17] See the caging letter that was sent out here. Many details on the letters were false; for example, the letters referred to a Voter Identification Division but RNC personnel said they had no such department. The RNC did not return calls from a news organization regarding the letters.
On October 5, 2008 the Republican Lt. Governor of Montana, John Bohlinger, accused the Montana Republican Party of vote caging to purge 6,000 voters from three counties which trend Democratic. These purges included decorated war veterans and active duty soldiers.[18]
The New York Times found in its review of state records that unlawful actions in six states led to widespread voter purges, which could have impact on the 2008 elections. Some of the actions were apparently the result of mistakes by the states' handling voter registrations and files as they tried to comply with a 2002 federal law related to running elections. While neither party was singled out, because the Democratic Party registered more new voters this year, Democratic voters were more adversely affected by such actions of state officials.[19]


We even had some instances of it happening here near Houston at one of the college towns where the students actually orginized and marched on the courthouse there to go vote.

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OverbossGhurzubMoga wrote:Lolwut?

In the run-up to the 2007 City Council elections in Statesboro, Ga., a voter registration drive put more than 2,000 new voters on the city’s rolls, most of them students at Georgia Southern University. In a city as small as Statesboro — a few hundred people typically voted in some council districts — the influx of new voters meant candidates backed by college students had the potential to reap big rewards.


But an ad hoc coalition of locals called the Statesboro Citizens for Good Government challenged many of the new registrants, asking them to be purged from the voter rolls on the grounds that they were not residents of Statesboro under the guidelines of local election law.


The article is much longer than this.
I hate Georgia.


I can understand it actually.
1. The college students are transients.
2. The college students have no long term interest in the local community. The "hicks" have to live there.
3. College students don't have a clue about, well anything. Their professors are even worse.
4. College students are easily swayed.
5. College students have excellent parties however, and their protests are usually very easy on the eyes.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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I assume you where being sarcastic there Frazzled.

However on the off chance you where being serious I'll address each of your points one by one.


1. The college students are transients.


Transients? It's not like they are gypsies roaming the land for goodness sake. Even if the are resident in the area for only 3 years they are still residents and just as entited to their say. Besides many of them could well be from the local area and have decided to go to a local college.

2. The college students have no long term interest in the local community. The "hicks" have to live there.


You have no way of knowing this, besides that's never been the basis of the right to vote.

3. College students don't have a clue about, well anything. Their professors are even worse.


I wasn't aware the U.S. had introduced an intelligence based right to vote. Besides are you seriously suggesting that no other member of the public is easily swayed?

4. College students are easily swayed.


See above.

5. College students have excellent parties however, and their protests are usually very easy on the eyes.


True I guess.

Basically the status quo has been upset and the rednecks don't like it. Tough.

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OverbossGhurzubMoga wrote:That's why I refuse to vote.


Here in OZ we legally have to vote which has its pros and cons

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No tbf I can understand Frazzled point, I was put on the voters roll in Wolverhampton when I was at uni and I asked them to take me off and put me back on the one in Solihull purely because I had no interest in wolves because I was only going to be there for 3 years, not really enough time to see the benefits of my vote.

Apart from the European Elections just gone i've always gone home to vote purely because I have an interest in what happens there not so much in the town that I attend classes and get drunk in.

And tbf most college/uni students are feth heads that have no idea what there doing anyway, they think the be all and end all of life is being on the stage at Oceana embarresing themselves to win free drinks.

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Accually me too,I see Frazzled's point aswell.

Letting those students that are only there for a few years make choices and elect people whom might change the community forever,now does sound rather undesirable.

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I can already see a candidate touring the university grounds shouting "beer bong and hooters" while wearing his tie as a bandana.

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Keg parties and drunk,insecure sorority girls.Mmmmh that sounds like my kind of place,where do I sign?

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I was quite serious.

However on the off chance you where being serious I'll address each of your points one by one.

1. The college students are transients.

Transients? It's not like they are gypsies roaming the land for goodness sake. Even if the are resident in the area for only 3 years they are still residents and just as entitled to their say. Besides many of them could well be from the local area and have decided to go to a local college.
****Three years is nothing to me. They have no property interest, no permanent interest in the area. They are, in a true sense, transients. And lets back up, why on earth SHOULD they have any local control? Their influence should be limited to the college campus and that’s it.
2. The college students have no long term interest in the local community. The "hicks" have to live there.

You have no way of knowing this, besides that's never been the basis of the right to vote.
***Please explain how they have any long term interest. Cite one instance. I am not talking about federal elections-this is for local matters.
3. College students don't have a clue about, well anything. Their professors are even worse.

I wasn't aware the U.S. had introduced an intelligence based right to vote. Besides are you seriously suggesting that no other member of the public is easily swayed?
***Granted I was being tongue in cheek here, except that its 100% accurate.
4. College students are easily swayed.

See above.
****And see above.
5. College students have excellent parties however, and their protests are usually very easy on the eyes.


True I guess.

Basically the status quo has been upset and the rednecks don't like it. Tough.
***No, tough back. The “rednecks” have to live there. Interesting that you call the local people rednecks. That right there shows the bias. The rednecks would say you should go feth yourself, and they would be right in saying it.



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Deff Dread red Edition wrote:Keg parties and drunk,insecure sorority girls.Mmmmh that sounds like my kind of place,where do I sign?

Switch keg parties for rum and we're on baby oh wait, yes dear, She Who Must Be Obeyed is correct. I am shocked just shocked you would say such a thing.

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Somewhere in south-central England.

So anyone who rents rather than owns a house somewhere should not be allowed to vote?

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No they have interest in the community. They live there. Their children may go to school there. they work there.

College students just get drunk and occasionally go to school at a building in the district.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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The problem with calling the college kids transients is while they are only going to be there for 3 to 6 years, there will always be fresh "transients" behind them. So the community that they represent will always be a certain percentage of the community, even though an individual may only be there for a short time. Therefore they should have the right to vote in that community they live.

As to the poster that posted all that exmaples of RNC caging, I find it interesting( and hard to believe) that there was no examples DNC caging. I.E. seems a bit biased to me.

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Frazzled wrote:
I can understand it actually.
1. The college students are transients.
2. The college students have no long term interest in the local community. The "hicks" have to live there.
3. College students don't have a clue about, well anything. Their professors are even worse.
4. College students are easily swayed.
5. College students have excellent parties however, and their protests are usually very easy on the eyes.


yeah, I'm with him. When I was in college I would never vote in local elections since they had nothing to do wtih me. Overseas I only vote for federal offices, again, since I won't have to live with the local people I elect.

 
   
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I"m with frazzled and Kid_Kyoto here. In college, I voted only in federal elections and skipped the locals as they had nothing to do with me. Once I left college but stayed in the area, I registered to vote here.

I understand the college students may not like what the locals do w/ their local government, but they will be gone in 4-5 years. The locals will be there likely for the rest of their lives.

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The attitudes expressed by those trying to disenfranchise voters really sickens me. Why dont you just say you want a witing period on when someone can vote after they move into an area and raise the voting age and call it a day. Exceptions will be made of course if you register Republican or are in the military.

Also on the vote caging examples... I cut and pasted it from Wikipedia, no edits were made by me. Feel free to find referenceable examples of Dems doing it.

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Fallen668 wrote:The attitudes expressed by those trying to disenfranchise voters really sickens me. Why dont you just say you want a witing period on when someone can vote after they move into an area and raise the voting age and call it a day. Exceptions will be made of course if you register Republican or are in the military.

Also on the vote caging examples... I cut and pasted it from Wikipedia, no edits were made by me. Feel free to find referenceable examples of Dems doing it.


First off it's my rule for myself, I don't tell anyone else where or how to vote.

Second off I voted in NYC local elections rather than my college town.

 
   
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When I was at university I used a postal ballot to vote at home. That was my choice because I was more interested in affecting affairs in my home town than in my temporary place of residence.

I don't see a basic ethical reason for preventing students from voting where they go to university. It looks like a gerrymandering exercise. People move around the country all the time.

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Fallen668 wrote:The attitudes expressed by those trying to disenfranchise voters really sickens me. Why dont you just say you want a witing period on when someone can vote after they move into an area and raise the voting age and call it a day. Exceptions will be made of course if you register Republican or are in the military.


They are not being disenfranchised, they are not being allowed to vote somewhere that is not their hometown.

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Hoho well I must say Im not very suprised, America never ceases to amace me.

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We're amazed by you as well.

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Frazzled wrote:
No, tough back. The “rednecks” have to live there. Interesting that you call the local people rednecks. That right there shows the bias. The rednecks would say you should go feth yourself, and they would be right in saying it.


And the assumption that 'college students don't know, well anything' is indicative of a fair-minded attitude? Yeah, I know what I want to say to you.


When I was in college I rented a house. I lived there for 3 years. I had a vested interest in the decisions made by the community that affected renters. I voted in the local elections because of this. If someone would have told me I couldn't vote on the initiative which would have decreased the maximum number of unrelated people who could live in a single home to 3, I would have punched him in the face.

College students are generally lazy. They will only vote on issues which directly impact them, like the aforementioned one pertaining to inhabitants.

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dogma wrote:
And the assumption that 'college students don't know, well anything' is indicative of a fair-minded attitude? Yeah, I know what I want to say to you.


Who ever, ever, accused me of being fair minded? (I did say that was tongue in cheek though, even though 100% accurate...)

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As a fellow resident of Georgia, I agree, the state sucks monkeys. But hey, it's not like the state has a record of disenfranchising voters going back to before the civil war or anything right? <sarcasm>

edit: sarcasm meant for second part, the fist sentence is just a statement of fact.

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One of the issues with giving a student body voting residence in a small community is that is gives the educational institution (which is a business) even more economic and legislative sway than it would already have. This sway can, and is, used to reduce the local taxes the institution is made to pay, also it can be used to force a community for the maintenance of campus roads that are technically the institution's property. As may 'private' roads across campuses are necessary for public and local commute. Also to force local law enforcement to cover areas that they would normally not have to, so that the university can save money on private security. All in all it tends to be very bad for the locals, who generally make less and will always make less than those involved with the university/college, student or otherwise.
I think 'caging' is a poor way of handling this problem, but having a private business with it's own easily 'guided' voter pool is very dangerous for communities with members whose means are already stretched thin (ie redneck-towny-know-nothing-locals).
   
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Yes if there aren't many locals this effectively makes the community a company town. Company towns suck.

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