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With this list I'm hoping for the mobs to clog up the objectives, the vets are my tank busters, the hellhounds thin out ranks and take care of tanks too, and the basilisks are for long range support.

EDIT: added vox casters and special/heavy weapons to the mix; changed out Basilisk for a Leman Russ Executioner; I plan to have 4 of the infantry squads combine into 2 20 man squads hence only vox casters for a couple of them. I chose to use grenade launchers over flamers to provide for possible krak shots if need be.



HQ
Company Command Squad 130pts
-Vox Caster
-LC
-Chimera w/ HB turret and HB hull

Troop
Infantry Platoon 415pts

Platoon Command Squad
-Vox Caster
-LC
-Chimera w/ HB turret and HB hull

Infantry Squad
-Grenade Launcher
-LC

Infantry Squad
-Vox Caster
-Grenade Launcher

Infantry Squad
-Grenade Launcher

Infantry Squad
-Vox Caster
-Grenade Launcher

Infantry Squad
-Grenade Launcher

Troop
Veteran Squad 155pts
3x melta
-Chimera w/ HB turret and HB hull

Troop
Veteran Squad 155pts
3x melta
-Chimera w/ HB turret and HB hull

Fast Attack
Hellhound Squadron 145pts
1x Hellhound w/ MM

Fast Attack
Hellhound Squadron 145pts
1x Hellhound w/ MM

Heavy Support
Ordnance Battery 125pts
1x Basilisk

Heavy Support
Leman Russ Squadron 230pts
Leman Russ Executioner
-PC Sponsons

Drop one or two infantry squads and give all your troops some weapons. 4x Flamer PCSs are great at counter attacking, and some form of weapon, either heavy, special, or both, will make your troops worth taking.

i used to play IG
the only thing i can say is make sure your squads dont get shreded, cuse below 1/2 strength they cant hold any objectives,
your list is pretty solid i havent really tried them out after they got a major upgrade

Please correct me if Im wrong, but i thought single models can hold/contest objectives now, so it doesnt matter if you go below 1/2 strength?

darkkt wrote:Please correct me if Im wrong, but i thought single models can hold/contest objectives now, so it doesnt matter if you go below 1/2 strength?

yeah, I think they can


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..as long as they're not running away

minion247 wrote:i used to play IG
the only thing i can say is make sure your squads dont get shreded, cuse below 1/2 strength they cant hold any objectives,
your list is pretty solid i havent really tried them out after they got a major upgrade

This is a relic from 4th edition. Now even a single model from a scoring unit can capture an objective.

@OP:

Lasgun IG are really really awful. Even with orders they can rarely kill anything. The all need to have special and heavy weapons, particularly the CCS and the PCS, which should have four specials each. For your gunline squads autocannon are effective and cheap, as are grenade launchers.

I think basilisks were hit with the nerf stick a few to many times in the new codex. Increase in AP and points hurt, but what really makes them unusable is thier permanent minimum range. In standard games 36" is a large proportion of the board. Even if you leave them in the back corner there will be a lot that they cant target and this also leaves them vulnerable to outflankers/snikrott. If you want to have artillery its better to go with Medusas with BB shells. Its only 15 extra points, but they are so much better at doing everything a basilisk can.

Naked guardsmen are horrible and dead guardsmen, as everybody else are saying, give the men some guns.

If you drop 3x squads, you get 150pts. Let's spend it on autocannons for everybody, give the PCS' flamers, and you've still got 50 pts to throw out special weapons to the troops (which can now all kill stuff)

Basilisks are made of suck now, for 50 extra pts, you could actually get 2x russ, do this instead

Your CCS could use a banner to keep all the infantry in line, some line commissars could be nice if you want to blob your platoons

Vets are good, HH's are good

Again, please correct me if Im wrong - but the minimum range for Basilisk doesnt apply unless you are firing indirectly. those tanks that can only fire indirectly are specifically listed as such in the codex.

Page 58 (main rulebook) discusses this, "If fired directly, they are treated exactly like normal ordnance weapons (ignoring the minimum range in the weapons profile)"

so the Colossos and the Griffon cannot fire directly, but the Basilisk can.

By firing directly, its weapons cease to be barrage ordanance.

Ive had great success with Basilisks, but I keep them hunkered down behind cover at the start of the game, and recklessly drive them forward at afterwards (they dont tend to last too long anyway, so no need to get attached to them!)

I find that spending less on regular squads, and if you want bodies to be a tar pit, conscripts with some high-leadership choice, they are quite effective.

Hellhounds do rock.

You are correct, it is still overcosted for what it does. If you want a direct firing ordnance gun, spend the last 25pts to get a Russ, it is superior in every way

72" range from a standard LRBT means diddly squat if you cant see your target.

Str 8 is not as good as str 9

Anti-LOS-cover meq blasts from anywhere on the map should be concidered win.

Pinning Anti-meq blasts are also win

If you want to take out termies, use lascannons/melta/plasma/medusas/exeuctioner weapons. My point is, theres plenty of em.


Yes, the bassie may have got hit with the nerf stick but it is still a viable weapon system.

Thanks for the input folks. When I get home tonight I'll see about tweaking the list to add more special weapons with my Infantry... I might mix it up with the heavy choices too; maybe replace one of the Basilisks with an LRBT. And maybe I might replace one of the Hell Hounds with a squadron of Sentinels.

I like the LR Executioner myself - and I rate the sentinels - always seem to hit above their weight.

Executioner with PC sponsons can destroy any troops your opponent puts on the battlefield. It's also very useful to first take out the transport and then the soldiers as they bail out muhahaha

Can you do that?

colonel584 wrote:Executioner with PC sponsons can destroy any troops your opponent puts on the battlefield. It's also very useful to first take out the transport and then the soldiers as they bail out muhahaha

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darkkt wrote:Can you do that?

>> No.

P67 of the BGB.

Specifically, Underneath the heading "Destroyed - explodes!" is a paragraph beginning "Note:".. read on from here.

The Executioner will be very much considered... well the PC sponsons at least...

In regards to the Infantry Squad's weapons, I'm not sure if I want to go with flamer/grenade launcher or meltagun. I'm thinking of the former to help with horde/assault but the antitank of the meltagun shot would be kind of handy... then again I already have vets handling anti tank.

Meltaguns (and plasma guns more so) are expensive. Its best to put these useful expensive guns on the same-costing BS4 platforms (like your vets).

The cheaper special weapons simply multiply your firepower cheapy. For example, one frag greande round will hit about 2-3 troops @ str 3. Thats worth 4-6 guardsmen firing. Costs 5pts. Ofcourse this evens out to lasguns = grenade frag launchers at closer range (exactly so, if orders are used - so less effecient when that happens) but until then they can fire always @ 24". Plus im sure against medium 4+ T4 save troops Krak grenade rounds do better.

Updated List. Added vox casters and special/heavy weapons to the mix; changed out Basilisk for a Leman Russ Executioner; I plan to have 4 of the infantry squads combine into 2 20 man squads hence only vox casters for a couple of them. I chose to use grenade launchers over flamers to provide for possible krak shots if need be.

Razerous wrote:

colonel584 wrote:Executioner with PC sponsons can destroy any troops your opponent puts on the battlefield. It's also very useful to first take out the transport and then the soldiers as they bail out muhahaha

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darkkt wrote:Can you do that?

>> No.

P67 of the BGB.

Specifically, Underneath the heading "Destroyed - explodes!" is a paragraph beginning "Note:".. read on from here.

Woops I guess I owe my opponent a few tactical squads