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I started a thread on the boards today and i got some feedback on a good Tau tournament list. Here is the thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/245971.page

Someone posted in that thread a core of a army list that won a tournament and i used that core mainly to make this army list. If i don't play this army right i am gonna be in trouble i think, that's why i think this list is not for beginners (i am not a beginner, but i am new to DakkaDakka tho). I am gonna make up some tactics for this army and maybe a theme if the list works.

Here it goes:

HQ

Shas’el, Airbursting fragmentation launcher, Burst cannon, Multi-tracker, Drone controller, 1 Shield drone, stimulant injectors=108pts

ELITES

Crisis Battlesuit team, 3 Crisis suits, Twin-linked missile pods, Flamers=141pts

Crisis Battlesuit team, 3 Crisis suits, Twin-linked missile pods, Flamers=141pts

Crisis Battlesuit team, 3 Crisis suits, Twin-linked missile pods, Flamers=141pts

TROOPS

6 Fire warriors, Devilfish, Disruption pod=145pts

6 Fire warriors, Devilfish, Disruption pod=145pts

16 Kroots, 4 hounds=136pts

HEAVY SUPPORT

Hammerhead gunship, railgun, Gun drones, Disruption pod, Blacksun filter, Multi-tracker=180pts

Hammerhead gunship, railgun, Gun drones, Disruption pod, Blacksun filter, Multi-tracker=180pts

Hammerhead gunship, railgun, Gun drones, Disruption pod, Blacksun filter, Multi-tracker=180pts


=1497pts

Drop the FW squads to the 6 minimum and buy more kroot. FW die easily and you don't want to disembark them. There is a reason that tourny lists never take more than 6 in a squad.

Your elite XV8's are illegal.

All right i will think about it,and i figured out that the point cost on the Kroots was wrong, i putted Multi-trackers on the HH for the points.

Bane_Sword wrote:I started a thread on the boards today and i got some feedback on a good Tau tournament list. Here is the thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/245971.page

Someone posted in that thread a core of a army list that won a tournament and i used that core mainly to make this army list. If i don't play this army right i am gonna be in trouble i think, that's why i think this list is not for beginners (i am not a beginner, but i am new to DakkaDakka tho). I am gonna make up some tactics for this army and maybe a theme if the list works.

Here it goes:

HQ

Shas’el, Plasma rifle, Missile pod, Multi-tracker, Drone controller, 1 Shield drone=102pts

1 Bodyguard, Plasma rifle, Missile pod, Multi-tracker=72pts

ELITES

Crisis Battlesuit team, 3 Crisis suits, Twin-linked missile pods, Flamers, Multi-trackers=117pts

Crisis Battlesuit team, 3 Crisis suits, Twin-linked missile pods, Flamers, Multi-trackers=117pts

Crisis Battlesuit team, 3 Crisis suits, Twin-linked missile pods, Flamers, Multi-trackers=117pts

TROOPS

10 Fire warriors, Shas’ui, Devilfish, Disruption pod=195pts

10 Fire warriors, Shas’ui, Devilfish, Disruption pod=195pts

10 Kroots=70pts

HEAVY SUPPORT

Hammerhead gunship, railgun, Burst cannons, Disruption pod, Blacksun filter, Multi-tracker=170pts

Hammerhead gunship, railgun, Burst cannons, Disruption pod, Blacksun filter, Multi-tracker=170pts

Hammerhead gunship, railgun, Burst cannons, Disruption pod, Blacksun filter, Multi-tracker=170pts


=1495pts

- The stimulent injector is awesome & will suit the Commander's squad & his purspose well, take it.

- Iridium armor & another shield drone couldnt hurt

- Multi-trackers on the devilfishes. They -can- move 12" & fire 5 str5 weapons a turn, so why dont you spend the 10pts & let them do it.

- If you really wanted to be competeative, perhaps SMS for the devilfishes instead of the gundrones (but take the multi-tracker) so then you can move 6" and fire 8 str5 shots per turn.

-More kroot, agreed, but obviously take some kroot hounds if you want the squad to be at all effective. Thier actually cheaper than kroot so thier the best way to beef up the squad past 10 models.

Otherwise, good.

OK, thanks for the reply. First things first, i don't have any points left so i can't buy anything except dropping something. I was then thinking of dropping the FW down to 6 man strong, is that viable like mattv2099 said?

Well all this is my opinion take it as you will:

While I personally am not sold on the deathrain configuration, especially that many, I leave that to your discretion.

First off you have 4 hard point items on you crisis suits when you can only have 3 so get rid of the multi-trackers. The idea as, I understand, it is that the flamethrowers are there in case of emergency. Use them if you are close to being charged by a unit to try and break them or at least reduce there number. As a Tau player, being that close tends to be a bad idea. So anyway that gets you 45pts. I would suggest you take 30 of those points and turn one suit in each unit into a team leader and give it a bonding knife (which leaves you with 15pts).

If you plan on keeping your firewarriors in the fish you might as well just drop them each down to 6 and get rid of the Shas'ui which nets you 120pts. But to keep your firepower up it might be a good idea to make your transports "warfish". Which means giving them sms, multi-trackers, and targeting arrays. That costs 80pts total for both I think (don't have the book in front of me).

If I am doing this right that leaves you with 45 points. I would suggest getting at least 3 more kroot, maybe another shield drone and a bonding knife for the hq, flavor to taste.

Another thing to consider is Hammerhead vs. Broadsides. For the cost of one hammerhead you can have 2 broadsides. One less skill but it's twin linked and you have 2 of them, not a bad trade-off.

Looking at your list you may have a problem with tough, fast moving assault squads with your limited number of low ap shots outside of your tanks.

Anyway, hope that helps.

I AM FILLED WITH IMPOTENT RAGE AT THIS ARMY LIST.

1.) Your devilfish are transports and will be used for FoF, correct? FWs should be 12 man bonded teams then.
2.) Those flamers on your suits are illegal and useless. Take them off, or make the missile pods not twin linked. that makes the Mulit-trackers useless. Replace with targeting array.
3.) 10 kroot are useless. 20 kroot are a hardy objective holder.

Other than that it looks good. You could drop the one bodyguard, as it stands it looks like he's kinda just there as an ablative wound, make your commander a deathrain and put him with the other crisis suits.

Canonness Rory wrote:I AM FILLED WITH IMPOTENT RAGE AT THIS ARMY LIST.

1.) Your devilfish are transports and will be used for FoF, correct? FWs should be 12 man bonded teams then.
2.) Those flamers on your suits are illegal and useless. Take them off, or make the missile pods not twin linked. that makes the Mulit-trackers useless. Replace with targeting array.
3.) 10 kroot are useless. 20 kroot are a hardy objective holder.

Other than that it looks good. You could drop the one bodyguard, as it stands it looks like he's kinda just there as an ablative wound, make your commander a deathrain and put him with the other crisis suits.

Oh dear.. This post fills me with saddness.

1) The devilfish will live longer if it moves 12" (or 6" and fires more with SMS), doesnt unload its troops & remains scoring. Fire-warriors work well in full teams, sitting in cover, away-away from the enemy, using thier 30" guns. They do not need transports so these squads should be minimum.

2)Those flamers arent illegal. Okay maybe they are. The multi-trackers arent allowed - but thier not needed. The flamers are a backup filler weapon & wont be used much anyways.

3) Why would you spend MORE points on a WEAKER model.. when you can pay LESS points on a STRONGER model. Tell me why? Buy hounds once you have gotten your 10 kroot.

Bane_Sword wrote:OK, thanks for the reply. First things first, i don't have any points left so i can't buy anything except dropping something. I was then thinking of dropping the FW down to 6 man strong, is that viable like mattv2099 said?

Yes, it is. They will die unsupported fairly quickly anyways, if they are left stranded from thier transports so the 4-5+ models wont make much of a differeance.

You can aquire some points - Drop one railgun equipped hammer head to a Ion cannon hammer head. It can still shoot stuff, just different stuff. Thats + 35pts. Add in the 8 fire warriors your dropping, thats another +80pts. That should be enough for some hounds, some commander upgrades & whatever else I suggested.

Rather than critiquing your list, I'm going to link you to a critique I just made on this same page for a Tau list that you can read and apply to your own list.

Read this

The original poster is trying to build a Tau army based on a particular build that won a Grand Tournament last November.

That GT winning list was something to the effect of:

HQ XV8 + body Guard
Elite 9 XV8's
Troops
6 FW
10 kroot
10 kroot
Heavy
hammerhead
hammerhead
hammerhead


Here is how I might build the list while keeping the original list intact.



HQ
'el TW flamer, missile pod, HWMT
2 'vre TW flamer, missile pod, HWMT
189

Elite

3 XV8 Plasma rifle, missile pod, multi tracker 186
3 XV8 Plasma rifle, missile pod, multi tracker 186
3 XV8 Plasma rifle, missile pod, multi tracker 186

Troop
6 Fw 60
10 kroot 3 hounds 88
10 kroot 3 hounds 88

Heavy
Hammerhead, railgun, SMS, DP, MT 175
Hammerhead, railgun, SMS, DP, MT 175
Hammerhead, railgun, SMS, DP, MT 175

1496

Tactics:

the xv8's and HH's cruise around killing stuff together as a mobile force. The HH's provide cover for the XV8's. FW are put in reserve. Kroot can outflank or infiltrate.

Yeah but i think this list is kinda risky because of the troops, 6 FW can't do a gak without a transport. I am gonna drop the bodyguard and put another weapon combo on my commander then i get 72pts + 4pts because the new combo is cheaper. I am gonna take out the multi-trackers on the crisis suits and then i get 45pts. I am gonna drop the FW squads to 6 man and then i get 80pts. So 72pts + 4pts + 45pts + 100pts=221pts which i can spend now plus 5pts any suggestions i was thinking of dropping one hammerhead and get a 3 man strong broadside team instead or at least 2 man strong. Then i was thinking of getting a team leader on the crisis suit squads, bonding knifes and shield drones. Any other suggestions?

mattv2099 wrote:The original poster is trying to build a Tau army based on a particular build that won a Grand Tournament last November.

The guy in question didn't win the GT, he won his GT heat and came (I think) 17th or something in final results. Nevertheless, he was the best Tau player of the tournament, so I think he was onto something? Deathrain-Flamer is not illegal combination, it is actually pretty clever as it is only slightly less effective against transports as pure Deathrain, is cheaper and has flamer as a short-range backup weapon.

Yeah i love deathrain + flamer combo, because it can take out almost everything low armor tanks, low armor save infantry because of the flamer and ap4 on missile pod, it can also take out a C'tan on turn one (all 3 squads fire at a C'tan=C'tan dead after 1 turn )


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I have 226pts any suggestions? And how is the deathrain suit loadout?

Backfire wrote:

mattv2099 wrote:The original poster is trying to build a Tau army based on a particular build that won a Grand Tournament last November.

The guy in question didn't win the GT, he won his GT heat and came (I think) 17th or something in final results. Nevertheless, he was the best Tau player of the tournament, so I think he was onto something? Deathrain-Flamer is not illegal combination, it is actually pretty clever as it is only slightly less effective against transports as pure Deathrain, is cheaper and has flamer as a short-range backup weapon.

He won GT heat 3 which was a tournament on november 18th. In the GT finals he came in 21st or something which was several months later. I read the dudes batrep.

The original flamer/missile xv8's posted above were illegal. They have since been modified.

mattv2099 wrote:He won GT heat 3 which was a tournament on november 18th. In the GT finals he came in 21st or something which was several months later. I read the dudes batrep.

Would it be possible to get a link?

Yeah link would be awesome. But i managed to complete my list and here he is:

HQ

Shas’el, Airbursting fragmentation launcher, Burst cannon, Multi-tracker, Drone controller, 1 Shield drone, stimulant injectors=108pts

ELITES

Crisis Battlesuit team, 3 Crisis suits, Twin-linked missile pods, Flamers=141pts

Crisis Battlesuit team, 3 Crisis suits, Twin-linked missile pods, Flamers=141pts

Crisis Battlesuit team, 3 Crisis suits, Twin-linked missile pods, Flamers=141pts

TROOPS

6 Fire warriors, Devilfish, Disruption pod=145pts

6 Fire warriors, Devilfish, Disruption pod=145pts

16 Kroots, 4 Hounds=136pts

HEAVY SUPPORT

Hammerhead gunship, railgun, Gun drones, Disruption pod, Blacksun filter, Multi-tracker=180pts

Hammerhead gunship, railgun, Gun drones, Disruption pod, Blacksun filter, Multi-tracker=180pts

Hammerhead gunship, railgun, Gun drones, Disruption pod, Blacksun filter, Multi-tracker=180pts

=1497pts

I think this army is really good and better than the first one.

I would hazard to suggest that at the expensive of dropping a few kroot hounds, you could buy a stimulent injector for the shas'el, making him a good sight more resistent to small arms fire.

And some multi-trackers for the devilfishes. 12" and 5 str5 shots is never a bad thing.

Otherwise, very good list now.

Thnx for the reply, i have change the post with the new army list and also the first post. Any other suggestions?

I think that the Shas'el would be better off with AFP and a PR.

I would turn one of the crisis into a plasma unit. Make them either Plasma / Fusion or Plasma / Missile.

I think it would be worth it to drop the 1st FW's devilfish, drop the 2nd FW unit, and add in a Pathfinder unit with a Warfish. Then you can grab another Kroot unit. I would also swap one of the hammeheads for a 2 man braodside team with ASS.

I am not really a fan of pathfinders and i don't have points left to change one crisis squad to plasma/fusion or plasma/missile pod. It would be nice if you could tell me how i can make those points and i am not going to drop either of the FW squads.