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now im not too sure but can IG basilisks fire directly? if not there pretty useless in most battles on a 6x4 board. definitly in planetstrike since there enemy is nearly always goina b within there shortest range

ny1 no wether they can fire directly? ill b reel gr8tfull for a reply

ty nyway


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oh yeh fforgot 2 mention... please sum1 find a loophole or my 3 are goin on ebay

Now that is probably one of the most mangled posts I have ever seen on Dakka. Please use proper English.

And to answer your question, yes they can fire indirectly,

Basilisks can fire directly OR inderectly, as they are an Ordnance Barrage weapon.

However, they can't fire at enemy within 36" which may well limit their use in Planetstrike. Unless you think beforehand and adequately screen them with troops or terrain, of course.


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Also, remember that on a regular board, with a regular setup, your enemy will be much further away when you fire diagonally.

Basilisks live in corners.

Write out your words, it may save you a feew seconds writing like that, but it takes everyone else ten times as long to read

The basilisk can fire within 36", but only directly, while outside 36", you can fire indirectly or directly

thanks guys.

sorry bout the post but i did it iin work... i was rushed as my boss was comin round.

thanks for this... spose theyre not going on ebay now

I would also like to point out that you check LOS from the tip of the gun (looking along it). This does mean you can shoot over small buildings and hills. Combine that with the gun is not counted for return fire means they can be quite safe.

Rules on page 58 and 60

Illumini wrote:Write out your words, it may save you a feew seconds writing like that, but it takes everyone else ten times as long to read

The basilisk can fire within 36", but only directly, while outside 36", you can fire indirectly or directly

Firing directly or indirectly has no baring on their range, either maximum or minumum. That is determined by the weapon statline.

I think confusion is arrising over how the terms are being used.

To fire a weapon directly the target must be in line of sight and you subtract your BS from any scatter rolls.

To fire a weapon indirectly does not require LoS but you do not subtract your BS from the scatter.

The the previous IG codex a basilisk could be upgraded to fire indirectly, but this meant it also gained a minimum range. This is where the confusion is arrising. The only thing at determines range is the weapon statline. The only effect direct/indirect fire has on the game is determining whether to subtract BS from any scatter roll.

To sum up, a basilisk still has a minimum range, even if you can see your target.

Also worth noting, this the Proposed Rules section of the board, and is used to discuss ideas for house rules or new units.

The section for questions about what is legal within the current rules of the game is called You Make Da Call.

Regwon wrote:

Illumini wrote:Write out your words, it may save you a feew seconds writing like that, but it takes everyone else ten times as long to read

The basilisk can fire within 36", but only directly, while outside 36", you can fire indirectly or directly

Firing directly or indirectly has no baring on their range, either maximum or minumum. That is determined by the weapon statline.

I think confusion is arrising over how the terms are being used.

To fire a weapon directly the target must be in line of sight and you subtract your BS from any scatter rolls.

To fire a weapon indirectly does not require LoS but you do not subtract your BS from the scatter.

The the previous IG codex a basilisk could be upgraded to fire indirectly, but this meant it also gained a minimum range. This is where the confusion is arrising. The only thing at determines range is the weapon statline. The only effect direct/indirect fire has on the game is determining whether to subtract BS from any scatter roll.

To sum up, a basilisk still has a minimum range, even if you can see your target.

Wrong.

Page 58 of the main rule book, second paragraph, second column labeled "Ordinance Barrage":

"If fired directly at the target, they are treated exactly like normal ordinance weapons (ignoring minimum range in the weapon's profile)."

Although this means the ol' Basilisk can still fire directly, it does mean that in later editions, this might be subject to change, and I wish they had worded the weapon's description in such a way as to override any possible rulebook change, as I feel it was by intent that the Basilisk always hold on to this ability.

But the lack of ability to keep up with new editions of the core rules means that new codices will be necessary.

And then everyone can buy the new plastic ogryns that are oh so overpowered in sixth edition.

Orkeosaurus wrote:But the lack of ability to keep up with new editions of the core rules means that new codices will be necessary.

And then everyone can buy the new plastic ogryns that are oh so overpowered in sixth edition.

Knowing GW and it's pure hatred for Space Ogres, I would not be surprised at all if they FAQ the IG codex come 6th where it is possible for Ogryns to actually be worth taking to increase their points to 200ppm.

Regwon wrote:Firing directly or indirectly has no baring on their range, either maximum or minumum. That is determined by the weapon statline.

I think confusion is arrising over how the terms are being used.

To fire a weapon directly the target must be in line of sight and you subtract your BS from any scatter rolls.

To fire a weapon indirectly does not require LoS but you do not subtract your BS from the scatter.

The the previous IG codex a basilisk could be upgraded to fire indirectly, but this meant it also gained a minimum range. This is where the confusion is arrising. The only thing at determines range is the weapon statline. The only effect direct/indirect fire has on the game is determining whether to subtract BS from any scatter roll.

To sum up, a basilisk still has a minimum range, even if you can see your target.

Skinnattittar and others already answered half of this - Basilisks firing directly have no minimum range.

Forget indirect fire. It is not used in the rules for WH40k. The closest you get is barrage. The phrase "direct fire" is used, but you should not infer the existence of indirect fire from it.

Direct fire really does work as you described.

Barrage weapons can fire at targets outside of LOS, but it is only when they use this ability that they do not subtract their BS from the scatter dice. When they have LOS they subtract BS just like any other blast weapon. Barrage weapons are still considered barrage weapons when they are firing at targets within LOS.