Switch Theme:

dawn of wars hate club(the deployment not the game)  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Poll
do ya?
yes
no
meh i dont care as long as i win

View results
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in us
Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant







I noticed alot of people hate dawn of war.
do you.

-to many points to bother to count.
mattyrm wrote:i like the idea of a woman with a lobster claw for a hand touching my nuts. :-)
 
   
Made in gb
Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'





Spreading the word of the Turtle Pie

I really don't care.

   
Made in au
Stormin' Stompa






YO DAKKA DAKKA!

Mech Eldar. I don't deploy.
   
Made in gb
Sister Vastly Superior




Guard.

I have tanks with front AV14 and spotlights as standard. I dont care about night fighting.

I collect:
Guard - 2k of mostly infantry
DA - 2k of deathwing, 2k of other bits (no vehicles)
Sisters - mostly converted/proxy because I'm waiting for therange to go plastic.
Tau - 2k with no riptides because I can. 
   
Made in gb
Furious Fire Dragon





Just don't deploy if you have any slight mobility.... Never.

P.M. me for rational Eldar Advice, both on list construction or Tactics.

Also feel free to query me about rules from the Eldar and Space Marine codices, as well as the General Rule book.

Mech Eldar army of the Craftworld Din Cassian currently at 17-6-7.

The Cat in my Avatar is my Cat. He's called Taz and he's just over ten months old. 
   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut






Burtucky, Michigan

We dont even use it. Its honestly a stupid scenario.
   
Made in us
Eternally-Stimulated Slaanesh Dreadnought






New York, NY

the fact that most people avoid it all together by not deploying is another point in the 'hate' category. What's the point of the scenario if many side-step it completely anyway?

I have a love /hate relationship with anything green. 
   
Made in us
Frightnening Fiend of Slaanesh





Massachusetts, USA

It was kind of weird to do with daemons against daemons XD

   
Made in us
Irked Necron Immortal



Columbia, South Carolina

I'm not a huge fan of any scenario when I can be assaulted on the first turn.

2000 pts
6000 pts
3000 pts
2000 pts 
   
Made in us
Superior Stormvermin





It's basically a nail in the coffin to stand and shoot armies.

Steve Perry.... STEEEEEEVE PERRY.... I SHOULD'VE BEEN GOOOONE! 
   
Made in us
Sword-Bearing Inquisitorial Crusader




Northern Virginia

depends what army I'm playing. Hate it with my SOB love it with my DE.

"Paranoia is a very reassuring state of mind. If you think they are after you, you think you matter" 
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka






Arlington, Texas

JourneyPsycheOut wrote:It's basically a nail in the coffin to stand and shoot armies.


Wait, that means you have to... adapt?

Worship me. 
   
Made in us
Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne






Love dawn of war. It's the rule that escalation should have been in 4th.

Veriamp wrote:I have emerged from my lurking to say one thing. When Mat taught the Necrons to feel, he taught me to love.

Whitedragon Paints! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/613745.page 
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut






Las Vegas

Yeah, I rather like it. Instant Frag Order!

It really makes me (and/or my opponent) have to think. Sure its frustrating when you have a plan and can actually really screw up my/his lists but sometimes outta that chaos have come some of the better (or at least wilder) games I've played.

 
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka





dead account

I love Dawn of War. I want it to have my babies.
   
Made in us
[ARTICLE MOD]
Fixture of Dakka






Chicago

Deuce11 wrote:the fact that most people avoid it all together by not deploying is another point in the 'hate' category. What's the point of the scenario if many side-step it completely anyway?


Well, you do pay a penalty for side-stepping it - namely allowing your opponent to establish control of the board more easily. That said, you can side-step any scenario, right? And yet, the ability to hold your forces in reserve is an important counter to such armies as daemons or drop-pods. An army with great initial mobility, but poor subsequent mobility (like pod marines) is a huge advantage if your opponent is forced to deploy. But, if they're allowed to wait and see where some of the pods land, this advantage can turn against them. It's all part of balance.

Sarge wrote:I'm not a huge fan of any scenario when I can be assaulted on the first turn.


There is no scenario where you can be assaulted on the first turn if you deploy in such a way as to make that your primary concern. You can always back further away than the minimum for the mission, or, as stated above, not deploy.

JourneyPsycheOut wrote:It's basically a nail in the coffin to stand and shoot armies.


Stand and shoot armies are dumb. To quote a much better general than I, "Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man." - Patton.

And, even having said that, I fail to see why you are calling it a nail in the coffin. Is it because your opponent can start further across the board than before? If it is, this is balanced by the spearhead deployment style, where a stand-and-shoot army can begin the game nearly 36" from the opponent. Surely this must be a nail in the coffin of assault armies.

Is it because you have to walk on so many units instead of shooting on the first turn? First-turn shooting is largely lost to night-fight anyway.


I find Dawn of War to be an important balancing factor in 5th ed. Does it hurt stand&shoot armies? Sure, but no more than spearhead hurts assault armies. And the combination of the two means that a balanced army has a better overall chance of success.

If your gaming group gets rid of Dawn of War missions, then you'll see that the stand&shoot armies win more over time, as they have no weakness. Likewise, if you get rid of spearhead, assault armies will win more. Keeping both of them in the mix means that your assault armies are forced to plan for when they have further than 24" to cover, and keeping Dawn of War in the mix means that shooty armies need to plan for when their opponents are in their face right off the bat. Neither of these are bad things.


What I dislike is Capture&Control. I've never seen so many draws as with that mission...

   
Made in us
Nasty Nob






Joplin, Missouri

I don't mind it. My IG Infantry blobs love it and the nids go crazy when you give them 1st turn charging potential.

If anything sucks it's Capture and Control.

"Just pull it out and play with it" -Big Nasty B @ Life After the Cover Save
40k: Orks
Fantasy: Empire, Beastmen, Warriors of Chaos, and Ogre Kingdoms  
   
Made in us
Wolf Guard Bodyguard in Terminator Armor







its sooooo easy to win Cap and control, how can you hate it?

oh wait, not everyone plays Space Wolves.

THE HORUS HERESY: Emprah: Hours, go reconquer the galaxy so there can be a new golden age. Horus: But I should be Emprah, bawwwwww! Emprah: Magnus, stop it with the sorcery. Magnus: But I know what's best, bawwwwww! Emprah: Horus, tell Russ to bring Magnus to me because I said so. Horus: Emprah wants you to kill Magnus because he said so. Russ: Fine. Emprah's always right. Plus Ole Red has already been denounced as a traitor and I never liked him anyway. Russ: You're about to die, cyclops! Magnus: O noes! Tzeentch, I choose you! Bawwwww! Russ: Ah well. Now to go kill Horus. Russ: Rowboat, how have you not been doing anything? Guilliman: . . . I've been writing a book. Russ: Sigh. Let's go. Guilliman: And I fought the Word Bearers! Horus: Oh shi--Spess Puppies a'comin? Abbadon: And the Ultramarines, sir. Horus: Who? Anyway, this looks bad. *enter Sanguinis* What are you doing here? Come to join me? Sanguinius: *throws self on Horus's power claws* Alas, I am undone! When you play Castlevania, remember me! *enter Emprah* Emprah: Horus! So my favorite son killed my favorite daughter! Horus: What about the Lion? Emprah: Never liked her. Horus: No one does. Now prepare to die! *mortally wounds Emprah*Emprah: Au contraire, you dick. *kills Horus* Dorn: Okay, now I just plug this into this and . . . okay, it works! Emprah? Hellooooo? Jonson: I did nothing! Guilliman: I did more nothing that you! Jonson: Nuh-uh. I was the most worthless! Guilliman: Have you read my book? Dorn: No one likes that book. Khan: C'mon guys. It's not that bad. Dorn: I guess not. Russ: You all suck. Ima go bring the Emprah back to life.
DA:80-S+++G+++M++++B++I+Pw40k97#+D++++A++++/fWD199R+++T(S)DM+  
   
Made in us
Dakka Veteran





College Park, MD

I love Dawn of War with my Black Templars. It's one of the few situations where their special ability to take a LRC transport for their basic troop choice is useful.

 
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka






on board Terminus Est

I love DoW as pointed out it counters so many builds. Stand & Shoot armies are pretty much dead in anyways. I have found that TOs that don't include DoW tend to be a bit biased to Stand & Shoot armies.

G


ALL HAIL SANGUINIUS! No one can beat my Wu Tang style!

http://greenblowfly.blogspot.com <- My 40k Blog! BA Tactics & Strategies!
 
   
Made in au
Morphing Obliterator





Australia

It does exactly what it is supposed to do - require armies to be built with balance in mind.

So does Capture and control, although in a much different way.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/07/01 01:54:11


"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity; and it was not meant that we should voyage far." The Call of Cthulhu - H. P. Lovecraft

Painting Blog - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/244402.page - leave a comment! 
   
Made in us
Boosting Space Marine Biker







I agree with previous posts: If you have a problem with keeping things in reserve... you probably haven't tried it yet against a non-mobile army.

It's a deployment that forces people to rethink they're very standard deployment strats. It's the fog of war, it's the unpredictability of battle, it's... whatever other overused cliche you want to throw down.

Don't whine, be a player and adapt.

Riddle me this: what has four sides, moves twelve inches, and moved fourteen?

RAW-RAW-RAWsputin, Lover of the Russian Queen/ there was a cat who really was gone... 
   
Made in us
Apprehensive Inquisitorial Apprentice






My Grey Knights LOVE DoW, but not for the first-turn assault potential; they are a move-and-shoot army.

I have lived long enough, for I die unconquered. 
   
Made in us
Unshakeable Grey Knight Land Raider Pilot





Wyoming

wait wait... isn't DOW a deployment type? and isn't capture and control a mission? Why are you comparing these like they are the same thing? the DOW vs. Spearhead is definitely a better arguement.
   
Made in gb
Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime







Demogerg wrote:its sooooo easy to win Cap and control, how can you hate it?

oh wait, not everyone plays Space Wolves.
QFT. SPESS PUPPEH DROOP PAWDZ!

Got 40k Rules Question? Send an e-mail to Gwar! for your Confidential Rules Queries.
Please do not PM me unless really necessary. I much prefer e-mail.
Need it Answered RIGHT NOW!? Ring me on Skype: "gwar.the.trolle"
Looking to play some Vassal? Ring me for a game!
Download The Unofficial FAQs by Gwar! here! (Dark Eldar Draft FAQ v1.0 released 04/Nov/2010! Download it before the Pandas eat it all!)
 
   
Made in gb
Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator







Personally I don't mind the scenario..., unless i'm using my Necrons against a pure CC ork army with them in trucks... first turn they drive, jump out, assault and i'm dead... big fun!...

Death will come at the hands of the ancients, those who determined our fate aeons before we stood erect upon the holy ground of terra and gazed up into the starry night.

1500 pts
2000pts (Knights of blood) 
   
 
Forum Index » 40K General Discussion
Go to: