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Hey everyone,

I was re-reading my necron codex lately, and it suddenly struck me that if a necron waiting for its WBB, could it be used as cover? This is especially true for things like destroyers, who have a large surface area. PLease post any ideas!

Nope, Downed 'crons are 'debris only', just a representation of where a WBB might take place.

...edit; I don't have my 'dex but I'm pretty sure it says something about them not interfering in any way.

Nope, they are ignored for LOS purposes.

Why would you ignore them? You use the rest of the "debris" for LOS, why do they not count?

That said, they would not block LOS as a unit since they do not count as a unit.

But True LOS would indicate that it would indeed be possible for it to happen. (Especially if they are on a low hill, or somesuch)

Or am I missing something again?

I believe it's clairified in the 'Cron 'Dex under WBB special rule. It says somehting about them not affecting the game in anyway except as a representation.

"They cannot be attacked in any way, they are just more battlefield debris"

The debris of a tank blocks LOS. . . same for buildings, etc.

Well based of the limited data I have availible at the moment I'd have to say you are right.....Whoops!

The thing is, you do not have to lie them down. You could just instead note on a bit of paper how many died.

Lying on their side is listed as a way to keep track of them. They have no effect on LOS, movement etc. Remember, a Necron does not have to get up where they died, they can be placed anywhere within coherency.

under wbb special rule it says "Damaged Necrons are ignored completely for all normal game purposes" im thinkin no cover saves

ryanguy322 wrote:under wbb special rule it says "Damaged Necrons are ignored completely for all normal game purposes" im thinkin no cover saves

That's the part my brain was half-remembering, I retract my retraction.

ryanguy322 wrote:under wbb special rule it says "Damaged Necrons are ignored completely for all normal game purposes" im thinkin no cover saves

What? Where is that quote? I must be missing it. My quote is in the first paragraph under We'll Be Back, on page 13.



And Gwar! Come on, you play RAW, the codex says the model is laid on its side, not noted on a piece of paper.

Since I don't have my 'dex on me I'm going to do what I should have done in the beggining and just STFU.

I'll read my 'dex tonight if I get the chance......

Wait, is this "Cover saves because of TLOS" or "Cover saves because the LOS is through the Unit"?

First one is Yes, they block LOS.
2nd one is no, because they are not counted as part of the unit for LOS purposes.

TBH though, this is just a silly situation, even for me.

This is the best idea ever. And, at least so far, it even sounds legal RAW.

Sure. . . but :

kirsanth wrote:Why would you ignore them? You use the rest of the "debris" for LOS, why do they not count?

That said, they would not block LOS as a unit since they do not count as a unit.

But True LOS would indicate that it would indeed be possible for it to happen. (Especially if they are on a low hill, or somesuch)

Or am I missing something again?

I agree that with the rules for true LOS, dead Necrons waiting for WBB should count as cover in the same way as any other battlefield debris terrain should count. If I made a piece of battlefield debris that was intended to be a pile of dead necrons and placed it as terrain at the start of a game, would you argue that it doesn't count for cover?

This may not be the way the rules were intended when written for 3rd edition but considering how many 5th edition rules have negatively affected the 'crons, its nice to see one that positively helps them.

Yep, RAW specifically says they remain on the tabletop on their side, and are seen as just more battlefield debris.

Battlefield debris provides cover if it is obscuring a model.

I doubt it is RAI, but it looks correct by RAW.

Yeah, looks like you can, but really with anything other than destroyers, what will you be blocking? A warrior on his side is like 1" tall and 1 1/2" long...

Eight Ball wrote:Yeah, looks like you can, but really with anything other than destroyers, what will you be blocking? A warrior on his side is like 1" tall and 1 1/2" long...

You could potentially remove all of your casualties from the front of the squad, which could result in a wall of debris that is able to obscure enough remaining squad members to grant cover.

Danny Internets wrote:
You could potentially remove all of your casualties from the front of the squad, which could result in a wall of debris that is able to obscure enough remaining squad members to grant cover.

How could they provide a cover save to their own squad? I thought models (downed or not) couldn't provide a cover save as they are still part of the same unit. Now if its a different unit of warriors then i could see it happening but not the same squad.

Downed necrons are NOT part of a squad. See above.

Danny Internets wrote:

Eight Ball wrote:Yeah, looks like you can, but really with anything other than destroyers, what will you be blocking? A warrior on his side is like 1" tall and 1 1/2" long...

You could potentially remove all of your casualties from the front of the squad, which could result in a wall of debris that is able to obscure enough remaining squad members to grant cover.

OH good point...but still, you would need to be going against a lot of AP1/2/3 weapons for that to be very useful

Nope, they don't give cover.
They don't really exist.
They don't stop enemies from getting into base-to-base with their squad.
quote: "Damaged necrons are ignored completely for all normal game purposes such as unit coherency, measuring ranges, calculating whether other units can self-repair, and so on – they are debris only."
cover and LOS would be normal game purposes

hey look, a WBB rule that's clear

You have an older codex.

I'm pretty sure I have the codex that was revised after the annual with the cut-and-paste sections.

Hmmm. I have the newest "reprint" and I printed the exact words in the WBB section earlier.

I will go verify (again!) that I do have the newest.

hey look, a WBB rule that's clear

Not that clear!

*Mumbles at Codex: Necrons*

SsevenN: *Mumbles at Codex: Necrons*

THE C'TAN ACCEPT NO MUMBLE-FISH, MUMBLER!

Does anyone have the older codex?
I was pretty sure this was a line that was not reworded.

kirsanth wrote:I have an older codex.

Fixed that for me. Ooops. Not sure how/when I grabbed the wrong one.

However.

Belphegor wrote:Damaged necrons are ignored completely for all normal game purposes such as unit coherency, measuring ranges, calculating whether other units can self-repair, and so on – they are debris only.

The necrons are ignored for all game purposes listed (and so on) but are debris only.
Debris has rules describing that it gives cover.

shrug

Based off Current Codex RAW, it looks like necrons CAN get a cover save from downed 'Crons.

Although I'm pretty sure it's not RAI. : (