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Kk, in local game store / or GW shop if im not mistaken , they play with terrain with 25% covered maps?

How do we figure out how this works?
i mean 25% of hill terrain covered map would be different then 25% covered by houses / wall bunkers / or forest?

I must apologize in advance for asking this , this is actually someone else's question.

Take a corner of the table and fill it with terrain. Once that corner is full, distribute the
terrain across the table however you see fit.

malfred wrote:Take a corner of the table and fill it with terrain. Once that corner is full, distribute the
terrain across the table however you see fit.

Ahh... but is there a set amount though?

I mean a skaven foot slogging army might take
all building terrain and throw it in the middle where no one can have LOS to shoot , or wood elves / white lions can pick all forests terrains.

Oops, Fantasy?

There are rules on how to do it for Fantasy if you want to have space more models to maneuver.

There's a clear zone in the center of the table, and you take turns placing terrain pieces on the
outskirts of that clear zone. When someone stops placing terrain the other player places
one more piece.

Unless that's warmachine. Hrm.

malfred wrote:Oops, Fantasy?

There are rules on how to do it for Fantasy if you want to have space more models to maneuver.

There's a clear zone in the center of the table, and you take turns placing terrain pieces on the
outskirts of that clear zone. When someone stops placing terrain the other player places
one more piece.

Unless that's warmachine. Hrm.

Both 40k or Fantasy is fine ( which ever you are used to playing )

*But there is no set number or set amount right? both player take turns trying to even it out ( or to their advantage )
till it feels right?

Only "rule" I know of is that the big rule book recommends that all terrain be a mix of approximately equal quantities of different types. Two ruins, two forests, two hills...

sourclams wrote:Only "rule" I know of is that the big rule book recommends that all terrain be a mix of approximately equal quantities of different types. Two ruins, two forests, two hills...

Hmm , then its official / set rule that we need atleast 2 ruins , 2 forest , 2 hills , and the size of them made should add to 25% ( or a corner of the table sized ) of the game board?

It's not an official RULE. It's a suggestion.

There is NO RULE on how much and what type of terrain must be present. There are only suggestions.


Eric

No, it's not an official or "set" rule that MUST be followed, it's simply a recommendation. The 40k rulebook recommends playing with at least 25% coverage of the board.

If you play with much terrain in fantasy you'll find it will either give one player an advantage (wood elves and woods, artillery heavy and buildings/hills) or it will slow down the gameplay by complicating movement too much.

Normal games of fantasy will normally see no more than the 2/2/2 mentioned and sometimes even that is too much.

The only (GW) game where lots of terrain can be okay is Lord of the Rings in my opinion.

If you want terrain placement rules, the game De Bellis Antiquitatis gives a nice fair set and only costs about £3.50.

Kilkrazy wrote:If you want terrain placement rules, the game De Bellis Antiquitatis gives a nice fair set and only costs about £3.50.

Sorry , i dont understand o_-

DBA is an ancients wargaming ruleset. I found a copy on Feebay (Canadian) for you:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/De-Bellis-Antiquitatis-DBA-Ancients-Wargame-Rules-1-1_W0QQitemZ250453098621QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Toys_Wargames_RL?hash=item3a502b007d&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177&_trkparms=240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

Hordes of the Things is the fantasy equivalent.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Hordes-of-the-Things-fantasy-war-game-rules-WRG-DBA-DBM_W0QQitemZ280363298005QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Toys_Wargames_RL?hash=item4146f46cd5&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177&_trkparms=240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50


DBA is a cerebral system that appears wierd at first but really works. armies are small and easy to collect. Whether you want in or not is up to you, I prefer other styles of gaming personally.

In 40k i usally just throw the terrain pices here and there .

Unless im going for something specific

Sadly the rule used for terrain is one GW adheres to vainly: common sense. 40k tables are either devoid of terrain to deny cover saves or saturated with terrain to give a "great up close and in your fanny" experience.

BrookM wrote:Sadly the rule used for terrain is one GW adheres to vainly: common sense. 40k tables are either devoid of terrain to deny cover saves or saturated with terrain to give a "great up close and in your fanny" experience.

Thank you , this is exactly what i wanted to hear . Well show the replies of this thread to the stubborn @ss now.

I'm a big fan of lots of terrain, but in the end it's normal for us to use about 33% and try and get a decent mix of LOS blocking, cover save giving and difficult but with no cover save terrain

At my FLGS we just set up the table before the game and both players decide whether or not it's acceptable. This process takes about 5 minutes. Then we roll for table edge and who goes first. If both players decide that there's too much terrain then we remove a few pieces. If one player thinks that there's too much and the other player insists that there isn't enough then the game isn't played. I have never experienced this situation but I'm sure that there are some hard core gamers out there who would forego a friendly game for the simple reason that they don't think that the terrain setup is "fair".

40k recommends 25% coverage, but GW knows not everybody will have this much terrain, which is why it's just a recommendation.

But, like 4'x6' boards and 1500 pts, it's what GW themselves use internally and balance against.

BrookM wrote:Sadly the rule used for terrain is one GW adheres to vainly: common sense. 40k tables are either devoid of terrain to deny cover saves or saturated with terrain to give a "great up close and in your fanny" experience.

Wow.
I'm not certain how YOU play it, but we've always been "in your face." Calling it "in your fanny" gives a very different impression to me.
Not sure I'd like to game THAT way. ; )

Eric

In General Fantasy plays with less terrain than 40k because there is less shooting and it it hard to move large blocks of infantry through a cluttered board.

MagickalMemories wrote:

BrookM wrote:Sadly the rule used for terrain is one GW adheres to vainly: common sense. 40k tables are either devoid of terrain to deny cover saves or saturated with terrain to give a "great up close and in your fanny" experience.

Wow.
I'm not certain how YOU play it, but we've always been "in your face." Calling it "in your fanny" gives a very different impression to me.
Not sure I'd like to game THAT way. ; )

Eric

If you don't like it, then I guess it is safe to assume you don't play slaanesh.

That said, from what I understand there is no rule but the rule of common sense.

CF Scout wrote:

If you don't like it, then I guess it is safe to assume you don't play slaanesh.

Says the guy with a giant fist for an avatar...

CF Scout wrote:If you don't like it, then I guess it is safe to assume you don't play slaanesh.

CT GAMER wrote:Says the guy with a giant fist for an avatar...

Wow.

Just... Wow... You guys play rough!

Wait... I didn't mean it like...

Aw, nevermind... : )

Back on topic, though...

Regardless of what army I'm playing (my only wargame is 40K), I like about 35% terrain to 40%... and I like good LOS blocking terrain. I like to have to fight against the TABLE as much as the opposition.
...Which is why I like "death worlds" and "chaos worlds" with random happenings. LOL

Eric