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Hi all.

A normal Ork Boy gets 2 attacks in assault, I believe one for his slugga, and one for his choppa.

If you upgrade an Ork Boyz mob to have one with a Big Shoota (using the "For every ten Orks in a mob, one may exchange his slugga or shoota for a big shoota" option), that seems to mean he still keeps his Choppa, and so would get 4 attacks in assault - 3 for the big shoota and 1 for the choppa.

I mainly ask because, on the models for the big shoota, it looks like a two handed weapon, and when I outfit a mob in Army Builder, it shows Attacks as 2/3, so it looks like the Big Shoota ork is dropping his choppa.

I assume AB is calculating correctly, but I'm not sure where in the rules this is indicated.

No dice. To get the extra attack you must have a slugga AND a choppa.

Taking the big shoota means you still have your choppa, but you no longer have your slugga, which is a close combat weapon.


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Also, depending on your model, the big shoota is either one or two handed. The plastic nobs come with a one handed version of the big shoota.

The *reason* slugga boyz get an extra attack (3/4) is because they have two close combat weapons: a choppa, and a slugga pistol that counts as a second close combat weapon. When you take one of those out and replace it with a big shoota, a rokkit launcha, or a powerklaw, you lose the second close combat weapon.

Dashofpepper wrote:No dice. To get the extra attack you must have a slugga AND a choppa.

Taking the big shoota means you still have your choppa, but you no longer have your slugga, which is a close combat weapon.

What the silly cat said. In Order to get a Bonus attack you need 2 CCW. You don't get 1 Attack per weapon, you get your profile attacks +1 if you have 2 CCW.


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Dashofpepper wrote:Also, depending on your model, the big shoota is either one or two handed. The plastic nobs come with a one handed version of the big shoota.

Actually, the Big shoota is never defined to be any sort of handed.

I also think you are a little confused about what the number of attacks in the profile refers to. The number in the profile (2 in this case) is the base number of attacks the model gets regardless of what weapons he uses. (Most older codexes assume a close combat weapon, but newer ones specify equipment.)
Now the standard slugga boy has a choppa (close combat weapkn) and a slugga (a pistol). Pistols can be use as an extra close combat weapon, and the rules say having two close combat weapons gives you +1 attack. So your standard slugga boy has 3 attacks in melee and 4 on the charge.
Replace his slugga with a shoota or big shoota, however, and you are left with just 1 CCW, so his attacks are just base attacks plus a charge bonus if applicable, which is to say 2 or 3.

Note that the number of shots in a weapon's profile (say Assault 3 for a big shoota) only applies to the shooting phase, not the assault phase. Also, the str of the weapon only applies in the shooting phase.

Gwar! wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:No dice. To get the extra attack you must have a slugga AND a choppa.

Taking the big shoota means you still have your choppa, but you no longer have your slugga, which is a close combat weapon.

What the silly cat said. In Order to get a Bonus attack you need 2 CCW. You don't get 1 Attack per weapon, you get your profile attacks +1 if you have 2 CCW.

Ah, okay. Told you I was a Newbie.

A 6 point Ork boy gets 3 Attacks normally - 2 from the profile, +1 because he has a pistol (Slugga) and another CCW (Choppa), but the Big Shoota guy only gets 2 Attacks because that's what's in his profile, and he doesn't have two CCW. That's correct?

Indeed.

Wehrkind wrote:Indeed.

Indubitably!

Also "Yes" :3

Gwar! wrote:Actually, the Big shoota is never defined to be any sort of handed.

Reminds me of one of my pet peeves from 4th edition (and older codexes to this day) - people getting confused by what the weapon looks like. Many players simply guess the 1- or 2-handed from the model. My usual response is to remind people that the model is just a model, made to look cool. It could hold a big gun in one hand, two hands, lean the gun on the ground resting... or even have just lost an argument with the other orks who stuffed the gun where the sun don't shine. For game purposes the model has the weapon ready to use according to the rules, not according to how it looks.

NoBanjo wrote:
Ah, okay. Told you I was a Newbie.

A 6 point Ork boy gets 3 Attacks normally - 2 from the profile, +1 because he has a pistol (Slugga) and another CCW (Choppa), but the Big Shoota guy only gets 2 Attacks because that's what's in his profile, and he doesn't have two CCW. That's correct?

Yep.

Slugga+Choppa boy = 2attacks + 1 for two weapons = 3 attacks (+1 extra if he's charging)
Shoota or Big shoota boy = 2 attacks + 0 for his weapons = 2 attacks (+1 extra if he's charging)

Spetulhu wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Actually, the Big shoota is never defined to be any sort of handed.

Reminds me of one of my pet peeves from 4th edition (and older codexes to this day) - people getting confused by what the weapon looks like. Many players simply guess the 1- or 2-handed from the model. My usual response is to remind people that the model is just a model, made to look cool. It could hold a big gun in one hand, two hands, lean the gun on the ground resting... or even have just lost an argument with the other orks who stuffed the gun where the sun don't shine. For game purposes the model has the weapon ready to use according to the rules, not according to how it looks.

The majority of people play it that ranged weapons are two-handed and close combat weapons are single-handed unless noted otherwise. However you are quite correct that you can't play it by how the weapon is modeled. If that were the case, a storm bolter would be single-handed (I for one have never seen it modeled by GW otherwise) when in every codex where it's been defined it's always been two-handed.

Ghaz wrote:If that were the case, a storm bolter would be single-handed (I for one have never seen it modeled by GW otherwise) when in every codex where it's been defined it's always been two-handed.

SoB actually use Stormbolters with both hands. I guess they're the only ones to actually try aiming instead of praying to the Emperor for a hit, ironic as that may seem.

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