Etheric tempest, now with more Grand Illusion!

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**Kitzz**

Ok so reading the Nightbringer's etheric tempest rule, it states, "Any enemy unit...which doesn't consist entirely of models with unmodified strength of 4 or more must move..."

I recently met another necron player who said that models like squigs, which don't have stat lines, still fall within this restriction, and thus a warboss with an attack squig model will be thrown back, even though he is str 5. This seems, uh, silly to me, but nonetheless I wanted to see what the forum thought.

Is it possible for me to be even more annoying? (with my necrons, of course

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**MinMax**

Absolutely not. As you say, squigs don't have a stat line, so they are not taken into consideration. Even Ammo Runts, Grot Oilers and Grot Orderlies are not affected by Etheric Tempest because, again, they DO NOT have stat lines.

**insaniak**

Agreed. Such models are just there as markers, to show a particular upgrade on a given character. They play no part in the actual game.

**Orkeosaurus**

An attack squig is never mentioned to be a model in any sense in the ork codex, any more than "cybork body" is, and ammo runts and the like are purely decorative models that have no effect on the game, as it states in the description for them.

Frankly, this guy was was either trying to be an oh-so-funny loophole finder (note: there is no loophole) or he was just being TFG.

**orkishlyorkish**

What the other necron player said makes no sense... It's like saying because my carnifex has a toxic sac so it can be effected by the Nightbringer's etheric tempest rule.

**Kitzz**

Thanks, that's what I told him. Beat him anyway, though

. But now I reread the C'tan rules, and was wondering if I could take his place as TFG

. The Deceiver's "Grand Illusion" takes place after deployment, infiltrators, and even scouts. My question is...does it occur even after seize the initiative? Thanks, once again, for listening to my nonsense.

**SuperioR**

Kitzz wrote:The Deceiver's "Grand Illusion" takes place after deployment, infiltrators, and even scouts. My question is...does it occur even after seize the initiative? Thanks, once again, for listening to my nonsense.

As it says " just before the player that should go first starts his turn, the opponent can decide to try to steal the initiative " we've played as grand illusion is played before seizing the initiative