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I'll just get right into it, please all comments are appreciated. Here's the list:

Farseer w/ Runes of warding, Mind War, Fortune, stones, jetbike ( 170 )
5x Warlocks, jetbikes, w/ Destructor (3), Embolden (1), Enhance (1) ( 275 )

5x Fire Dragons ( 80 )
Wave Serpent ( 140 )
T-L EML, shuriken cannon upgrade, spirit stones

5x Fire Dragons ( 80 )
Wave Serpeant ( 140 )
T-L EML, shruiken cannon upgrade, spirit stones

5xDire Avengers ( 60 )
Wave Serpeant ( 145 )
T-L Bright Lance, spirit stones

5x Dire Avengers ( 60 )
Wave Serpeant ( 145 )
T-L Bright Lance, spirit stones

5x Dire Avengers ( 60 )
Wave Serpent – ( 145 )
T-L Bright Lance, spirit stones

Fire Prism - 115

Fire Prism - 115

Fire Prism - 115

Total : 1845
Models : 31
Tanks : 8

Well. that certainly is a lot of tanks. I think it'll work. you can get your opponents biting their nails while deciding which tank to shoot at.

Eldrad, however, seems like a waste. The powers that need line of sight will be a waste, and you don't really need to relocate tanks.

Take two autarchs instead, and stick them in with your squads- the extra points can be used for more banshees or fire dragons.

I really would like to keep somesort of psycher in the list for Doom/Mind War, so if I were to drop Eldrad it would be in favor or a Farseer and an Autarch, not two autarchs. But may I ask what you had in mind as to the autarch gear ups?

Plus, tactically, Eldrad's divination can effectively let me alter my setup to counter my opponent's deployment and create a mix-match advantage in my favor.

Emp. wrote:I really would like to keep somesort of psycher in the list for Doom/Mind War, so if I were to drop Eldrad it would be in favor or a Farseer and an Autarch, not two autarchs. But may I ask what you had in mind as to the autarch gear ups?

Plus, tactically, Eldrad's divination can effectively let me alter my setup to counter my opponent's deployment and create a mix-match advantage in my favor.

I would use fusion guns. The preference on the helmet/CC weapon is up to you.

yeah, you could keep a Guide/Doom farseer. that would work too. I just think that Eldrad is too expensive for what he can do in this kind of list.

Updated the list to seemingly more competitive, thoughts?

I like the list. Here are a couple of things to think about though.

I find your lack of Spirit Stones disturbing. On the Fire Prisms. I'm guessing you were tight for points, but they're a innexpensive upgrade which can mean the difference between life and death, not only for the tanks in question but for the battle plan as a whole.

If you like Eldrad, and there's a lot to like as he's a LOT better than any normal Farseer, then consider taking a foot Seer Council with Eldrad mounted in a 110 point Wave Serpent. Yriel makes an absolutely evil addition to this already killer unit. I like how you've gone with the less common jetbike Council though.

Something else I'd suggest would be to get rid of the EML Serpent. Then replace one Fire Prism with a Falcon (Holo Fields, Stones, EML) to carry the DAVU. I'd also be inclined to buy Holo Fields for the Fire Prisms and Falcon, and replace the 4th DAVU with a 5 man Fire Dragon squad. Only 20 points more for a unit of the best tank killers in the game. You'd have one less tank, but what you had would be much more resilient. You'd actually have to drop a Banshee or two to afford this, though although I was costing for a 180 point Falcon and two 160 point Prisms. The choice is yours really, I don't know that one way is really better than the other. If you havn't bought the minis yet, it'll save you some money to field one less tank lol

You over costed by 15 points on the Banshees ride, by the way. I'm guessing you were either paying for Scatter Lasers or Star Engines.

I updated the list a bit, it's in the first post. What do you think?

Your bike council is going to take all of the anti-infantry fire that your opponent has, as it's your only option not mounted in a tank. I'd really be inclined to throw them in a Serpent to go with the everything-in-tanks theme. This will leave alot of your opponents guns with nothing to shoot at for at least some of the game.

Other than that it looks good. Still no stones on the Prisms, and still taking DAVUs in Serpents, but if that works for you then I guess that works for you lol

neverXmore wrote:Your bike council is going to take all of the anti-infantry fire that your opponent has, as it's your only option not mounted in a tank. I'd really be inclined to throw them in a Serpent to go with the everything-in-tanks theme. This will leave alot of your opponents guns with nothing to shoot at for at least some of the game.

That's quite true.
Many weapons out there are cannot harm or are inefficient vs. fast skimmers.
I'd follow the Lanchester square law that roughly states that for X skimmers you need X^2 heavy weapons to take them down.

So you're asking if another Tri-prism Mechdar list is good?

Kirbinator wrote:So you're asking if another Tri-prism Mechdar list is good?

Strong builds are tier 2, while weaker ones are tier 3.

The Council will take whats hits I'll let my opponent get. Bouncing cover will not make them vulnerable to "all" their anti-infantry. The reason for bike council over inside a tank is because if the tank drops, my council is now walking and is limited. On bikes if you want to slow them down you have to finish off the squad. If my tank goes down turn 2 my council walks for 3/4 turns and without FoF they're going nowhere fast. On jetbikes, I get my 18" moves, or my 24" and a rerollable 3+. It's more resilient for the council itself, and provides more movement options in the long run.

wuestenfux wrote:Strong builds are tier 2, while weaker ones are tier 3.

Justify your claim please.

Kirbinator wrote:So you're asking if another Tri-prism Mechdar list is good?

No, im not asking if it's good, I know it's good. I'm asking if they're any changes people feel would be adequate to make it better.

Emp. wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Strong builds are tier 2, while weaker ones are tier 3.

Justify your claim please.

Well, in the German GT played three weeks ago, there were 75 players and the best Eldar player was ranked at position 22.
No composition or painting scores.
Some of the Eldar players were veterans and well-known in the tournament scene.

Double up on Embolden in the seer council and add more warlocks. At least 7 or 8 warlocks. Drop 1 Destructor for 2nd Embolden Drop Fire Dragons down to 5 and drop Mind War and Spirit Stones to make points for 2 more Warlocks.
2 Embolden is needed because you can not afford to have you expensive unit run away and it lets you reroll your fortune check if you fail and more warlocks is more hitting power and more wounds. Runes of Witnessing if you can find the points is also good because you do not want to fail fortune.

maybe I'm misunderstanding you, or vice-versa. When you say "strong builds are tier 2, while weaker ones are tier 3," I considered that in response to what Kirbinator said. So, you are saying that strong builds have 2 prisms and weaker ones have 3? Or is it something else and I'm misunderstanding you?

Avariel wrote:Double up on Embolden in the seer council and add more warlocks. At least 7 or 8 warlocks. Drop 1 Destructor for 2nd Embolden Drop Fire Dragons down to 5 and drop Mind War and Spirit Stones to make points for 2 more Warlocks.
2 Embolden is needed because you can not afford to have you expensive unit run away and it lets you reroll your fortune check if you fail and more warlocks is more hitting power and more wounds. Runes of Witnessing if you can find the points is also good because you do not want to fail fortune.

Mind War + 3 Dragons + Destructor > a lot more hitting power and more wounds than 2 warlock.

2 Emboldens is a bit overkill, and I don't need RoWitnessing while Embolden is there.

maybe I'm misunderstanding you, or vice-versa. When you say "strong builds are tier 2, while weaker ones are tier 3," I considered that in response to what Kirbinator said. So, you are saying that strong builds have 2 prisms and weaker ones have 3? Or is it something else and I'm misunderstanding you?

Well, it has nothing to do with the number of Prisms.
I remember that the guy I battled had 2 Prisms each.

Than what did you mean before saying good builds are tier 2 and weaker ones are tier 3? I'm confused.

Emp. wrote:Than what did you mean before saying good builds are tier 2 and weaker ones are tier 3? I'm confused.

Confused?
I found that mech Eldar armies with lots of skimmers are tier 2.
Those foot slogging builds are eventually weaker and are tier 3.

Alright I understand what you're saying than, it was in response to what that other person said. It was just worded vaguely

Here is the list of Kaminari at the German GT, 22nd placed out of 75:

Eldrad
Yriel
9 Warlocks 1 Spear, 3 Embolden, 2 Enhance
in Serpent with Shuricencannon and Spirit Stones
10 Storm Guardians with 2 Flamers
in Serpent with Brightlance and Spirit Stones
5 Dire Avengers
in Serpent with Brightlance and Spirit Stones
5 Dire Avengers
1 Falcon with Eldar Missile Launcher, Holofield, Spirit Stones
2 Fire Prisms with Holofield and Spirit Stones

12 KP, 37 models

It looks a lot like a Saim Hann army, only with more tanks and less Jet Bikes.

My only tip would be the tip that said Saim Hann army player threw out, try changing the dire avengers in one of the wave serpants for Howling Banschies. You might have to test that out and see if it works or not, but if it does then that tank might end up doing a bit more than camping objectives.

The only thing is though it can't be a 1-1 swap, the banshees are more points. So where could I free that up to even try it?

Emp. wrote:The only thing is though it can't be a 1-1 swap, the banshees are more points. So where could I free that up to even try it?

Play a 2000 point game with a friend . (edit: you know, before the tournament) Again, see if they work first before you commit to using them in a tournament.

Looking over your list again, I don't see this list wanting to get into assault very much, so the howling banishes might not do what they are meant to.

starbomber109 wrote:

Emp. wrote:The only thing is though it can't be a 1-1 swap, the banshees are more points. So where could I free that up to even try it?

Play a 2000 point game with a friend . Again, see if they work first before you commit to using them in a tournament.

Looking over your list again, I don't see this list wanting to get into assault very much, so the howling banishes might not do what they are meant to.

First off, it's an 1850 tournament. Not a 1850, oh let's just play 2k for fun game.

Second, are you sure you're commenting on the right list? I'm not using any Howling Banshees, my only combat squad is the seer council.

Ok, I'm being an idiot and shouldn't post. Sorry, I needed to be more clear.

You need to find a friend who won't give away any secrets and practice for this tornoment by playing some games with a bigger points setup than the tournoment so you can both try out things and see if they work or not with the rest of your army, then you can figure out if they work, and if/when you put HB in there, you may discover then that they don't do what they are supposed to do.

Good list. only thing I would say is get rid of a DA squad, drop your fire dragons down to 5 and take a 2nd squad of 5 fire dragons.

starbomber109 wrote:Ok, I'm being an idiot and shouldn't post. Sorry, I needed to be more clear.

You need to find a friend who won't give away any secrets and practice for this tornoment by playing some games with a bigger points setup than the tournoment so you can both try out things and see if they work or not with the rest of your army, then you can figure out if they work, and if/when you put HB in there, you may discover then that they don't do what they are supposed to do.

Uhh...yea...so...I don't plan on putting HB's in the list, I've already tried how they do, hence the list not including them. What exactly are you talking about? If I want to try something out I'll swap them into the list, not add stuff, that doesn't tell me if something flows at the same point value. That's not a good way of trying things out.

Timmah wrote:get rid of a DA squad, drop your fire dragons down to 5 and take a 2nd squad of 5 fire dragons.

I think this I might do.

I do not know if you really need Brightlances on the Wave Serpents. You could go EML + Shuriken Cannon for some extra shooting/ versatility.

Thoughts on mixing up the Serpents? If I have the 2 dragon squads I could cut down on the BLs total, the 2 dragon squad serpents I could turn into EML + shuri-cannons. Updated first post, that's what it looks like with those changes.

Well considering you will want some anti transport fire, I might switch up some of the BL's. When your front armor is already 11 or 12 they are kinda over costed.