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i was watching the film aliens when i saw the marines died alot and i wondered how would a 40k marine fight the aliens? how would a chest buster get out of the 3+ armor? what would an alien's stats be? and what race would be the best against the aliens? well i know this isnt a good topic but put it on anyways

Im sure aliens will be torn apart by the bolters easily.

And in return im sure the acid will melt any marine armor.
If they fight in an open field , aliens have no chance.
In a tight area, marine are good as dead.

A chestburster does not need to burst out of the armor to kill someone , they just need to burst or chew through the chest (torn cloth / armor are just a special effect for coolness )

Their stats would probably be like....

str 4 , toughness 4 , 2 attack , 5+ sv Special Rules: Leaping , Rending , Acid Blood [ when killed in CC , or shot within 5 inches point blank , you get hit with acid ]

Helmets are a great defense against facehuggers. I mean, only the sarges have anything to fear from them (take that, mr. Bald and Screaming!)

But acid blood is worth an awful lot. Nothing like melting through a whole spaceship.

I guess what it boils down to is numbers. I mean, the marines in Alien were basically guardsmen, so you wouldn't get as many Space Marines.

what about a power sword? what would that do against the aliens would it melt?
i know i'm asking newbie questions but i have been playing for a wile

The Xenomorphs are pretty much Genestealers. Think of how Marines fight those, and you're pretty much on the dot. Hell, Space Hulk was pretty much just that.

don't facehuggers spit acid? isnt that how the facehugger got in the helmet in the first alien

lord of the ghosts wrote:don't facehuggers spit acid?

No they dont . but their blood is still acidic when they are hurt.

dosent the acid burn the bullets makeing them weaker or -1 str when hit

lord of the ghosts wrote:dosent the acid burn the bullets makeing them weaker or -1 str when hit

? Im not quite sure what you mean . Once a bullet penetrates the shell , the inertia of the penetrated bullet still goes on (even if its melted i tihnk?)

sorry im not sure , im not a physics :x

If you watch the first film, the face hugger broke through Kane's helmet...but that wasn't space marine armor, it was glass...pitiful human glass. Those face huggers pack quite a punch when shooting out of their egg (I imagine their tale is something like a spring), but not enough to send space marines running.

40K ripped a lot off of the Alien franchise. I think the entire Tyranid race was modeled on Giger's concept art for the film. Shoot, even the Valkyrie looks like the drop ship from Aliens!

Aside from that, I think the question to ask is, "What would an alien from a space marine's chest look like?"

The aliens from the films incorperate the genetic code of their host. The space marines are genetically superior humanoids. Aliens + Space Marines 40K style = DISASTER!

StormHalo wrote:If you watch the first film, the face hugger broke through Kane's helmet...but that wasn't space marine armor, it was glass...pitiful human glass. Those face huggers pack quite a punch when shooting out of their egg (I imagine their tale is something like a spring), but not enough to send space marines running.

40K ripped a lot off of the Alien franchise. I think the entire Tyranid race was modeled on Giger's concept art for the film. Shoot, even the Valkyrie looks like the drop ship from Aliens!

Aside from that, I think the question to ask is, "What would an alien from a space marine's chest look like?"

The aliens from the films incorperate the genetic code of their host. The space marines are genetically superior humanoids. Aliens + Space Marines 40K style = DISASTER!

The aliens would probably end up with more than 1 set of lungs and heart i guess lol. ( though honestly im not sure if that will make them tougher )

Aliens's toughness is beyond humanoid , they are like insects . And we all see them crawl around with half a torso left. So a marine's genetic probably does nothing :/

yes but that was bullet, and freeze proof glass plus the acid burned thou 4 layers of the ship



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what about an ork?

lord of the ghosts wrote:yes but that was bullet, and freeze proof glass plus the acid burned thou 4 layers of the ship

What im trying to say is , i dont know how the inertia of a bullet behaves when its melted inside the penetraded shell.

For example , when you shoot a bullet into a barrel , the bullet shatters by the water alone , without even touching the barrel.

However the pressure caused by the shattered bullets inertia is enough to blast the water and break the barrel.
( im imagining this is similar with the aliens body )

lord of the ghosts wrote:what about an ork?

Sorry im totally confused to what we are talking about now ^^:

what if an ork got his face hugged by a facehugger
what alien would come out?

StormHalo wrote:If you watch the first film, the face hugger broke through Kane's helmet...but that wasn't space marine armor, it was glass...pitiful human glass. Those face huggers pack quite a punch when shooting out of their egg (I imagine their tale is something like a spring), but not enough to send space marines running.

40K ripped a lot off of the Alien franchise. I think the entire Tyranid race was modeled on Giger's concept art for the film. Shoot, even the Valkyrie looks like the drop ship from Aliens!

Aside from that, I think the question to ask is, "What would an alien from a space marine's chest look like?"

The aliens from the films incorperate the genetic code of their host. The space marines are genetically superior humanoids. Aliens + Space Marines 40K style = DISASTER!

Technically SMs aren't genetically engineered, they just have genetically engineered glands implanted which produce hormones which given them special abilities.

I would give an Alien at least Str 5 if not 6 on the basis of their ability to rip and smash through armoured doors.

lord of the ghosts wrote:what if an ork got his face hugged by a facehugger
what alien would come out?

Oh hmm...

It would probably be green ....
and any drone could end up growing into a queen ( instead of been developed as one during the chest burster stage )
It would probably be as aggressive as fire ants ( i dont see normal Aliens as progressive , very protective of their hive yes but not aggressive )
Their blood might also contain spore to make more aliens ( ouch this is a scary thought , imagine the acid burn surviving victims later gets killed by 10000 spore aliens maturing )

iirc
If it was a Marine, it would be akin to the Tyrant Guard.
If it was an Ork, it would be akin to the Biovore.

At least if they are like the Tyranids that are based on them.

Aliens = Genestealers with Acid Blood upgrades. Play a game between Marines and Genestealers with said biomorph and you'll have your answer

What if one got an Eldar? Would it have kidneys?

Don't forget Bolters don't shoot bullets, but explosive rounds. Acid blood wouldn't lessen the strenght of the hit in any way, but it sure would make it pretty messy and dangerous to boltgun an alien in close range.

Power swords? Pretty sure they would melt. I don't know how much then energy field around the blades would protect them... It's mostly the quickness of the swing that 'might' help here. Even so, a marine's best bet in CC would be a power first, obviously.

I think the power field around the sword might protect it from acid blood. Otherwise wouldn't a power sword melt when used against nids? Or particular kinds of chaos marines/demons?

Lets keeps some things in perspective. The marines in the movie, boiled down to what a 10 man squad? They killed what, at least 20+ in their retreat from the nest. The sentry guns killed a ton as well, safe to say over 40+ There were HUNDREDS or converted colonists after all. They were using what is basically a auto gun. With perhaps a person mobile heavy stubber. They were also ambushed and lost a good portion of their number, but were far from being wiped out. In the aliens BEST case senerio, up close and jumping from walls. This is NOT genestealer worthy!!! The queen was slow and got beat by a cargo hauler. Imagine a dreadnought!! It would be splattered, even without guns. The humans were panicky and for the most part unorginized, marines would not be. A shot gun ripped the alien to shreds with a head shot. Think about a bolter.

I'm thinking more like un modified hormagaunts in stats, no leaping but fleet, rending. Move threw cover including, impassible terrain. With one of the following, deepstrike, infiltrate, outflank, reserve, dark eldar secrect deployment and the licors ability for the squad. One per squad - no doubles, so one squad deepstrikes while the other infiltrates and one uses lictors deployment. 5 to 20 man squads. 11 pts a model, roughly as there are few other options to take as it stands. For each bug killed in CC opposing side takes a str 2 hit as if a powerweapon. VS vehicles can sacrifice one member of the squad to get a melta bomb equivalent, sacrifice 2 for an auto hit. Have to take a LD test to assault any unit that has a flamer. LD 9 stubborn -1 if squad has a flamer.

That is what i was thinking. Have to play test it and give them more types of bugs. But this seems more dead on and playable. However fluff wise, I think the aliens would be very very screwed.

Just my 2 cents....

LunaHound wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:what if an ork got his face hugged by a facehugger
what alien would come out?

Oh hmm...

It would probably be green ....
and any drone could end up growing into a queen ( instead of been developed as one during the chest burster stage )

I seem to remember any drone being able to become a queen anyway, when a drone molts some times it changes slightly making it into a Praetorian, which then leaves the Hive because the others wanna kill it. It wanders around on its own for a while and then becomes a Queen. So says AvP and AvP 2, the PC games.

Sha1emade, the standard weapon of the United Systems Colonial Marines is the M41A Pulse rifle which fires a 10mm Explosive round, its a bit more than an Autogun, plus it has a 40mm Underslung Grenade Launcher. Then the Smartgun locks on to its targets, making it the most awesome heavy stubber ever.

Originally, the genestealers were not relaed to the tyranids. The genestealers were based off the "aliens" xenomorphs and the tyranids were more like the "bugs" from Heinlein's "Starship Troopers". Eventualy the genestealers were absorbed/incorporated into the tyranid "race" in second edition.


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Also, the "Aliens" use a hive stricture closer to bees/ants/termites. Early in their development workers are fed "royal jelly" which is packed with hormones that activates its reproductive system and that's how queens are made (not born).

Genestealers got their name because they used to implant their eggs into the host, and the eggs would absorb some of the hosts genetic material, thus why there used to be genestealer hybrids.

StormHalo wrote:
I would give an Alien at least Str 5 if not 6 on the basis of their ability to rip and smash through armoured doors.

The rules for that sort of tearing through armoured doors is 'rending', as that's what it's usually described as.

I think it would probably be like this:

WS6 - these are vicious, WS is combined skill and ferocity.
BS0 - duh
S4 - this is an order of magnitude higher than a human, but not a 'monstrous creature' strong, which would be the larger aliens
T4 - a lot tougher than a human
W1 - no more really needed.
I6 - These guys are FAST!
A2 - fits pretty well
Ld10 - No reason not to
Sv - 5+ or 4+, depending on their carapace.

Then I would give them the Rending special rule, and an 'acid maw' kind of rule, which maybe re-rolls wounds in the first round of combat. I would round it all off with Fleet, since they're pretty quick.

I'd also add "beasts" to account for their ground speed, not just their reaction times.

I rekon It's

Alien queen

WS 7
BS 0
S 9
T 8
W 6
A 2
I 3
LD 10
SV 5+

Special rules

Monstrous creature
Fearless
Night vision
Relentless
Unpreffered enemy

When facing any model played by sigorny weaver (ripley) the model is half strength and toughness against flamer weapons

Options

The queen may take a retinue of

Warriors

WS 5
BS 0
S 4
T 3
W 1
A 2
I 6
LD 9
SV 6+

special rules

Beast
Fleet of foot
Night vision
Unpreferred enemy
Acid blood

if a warrior is killed in cc place the blast marker over it all enemy models under it take one S3 ap2 hit

Barbed Tounge

After all cc attacks have been solved the warrior makes a special shooting attack at BS 6 - targets inititive with the following profile

S 5 AP 3 R 6

Face huggers

WS 2
BS 0
S 2
T 1
W 1
A 1
I 10
LD 10
SV -

special rules

vunrable to blast/templates
Move through cover
leap

the face hugger may leap onto its target this is a special shooting attack at range 6 bs 6 - the targets intitive which automatically kills both the facehugger and its target if the hugger misses it is automatically killed in the flurry of fire (note only helmated models get a save against it)

Praetorians

WS 6
BS 0
T 5
S 5
I 6
W 2
A 2
LD 10
SV 4+

special rules

Eternal warrior
Night vision
Infiltrate
Unprefferd enemy
Outcasts

if pratorians are included in your retinue you may not include any other models (excluding the queen)

You would have to factor in a special rule that states the later on in the game it is, and the fewer marines remain alive, the weaker the alien hordes get.

For example, at the start of the battle, an alien may have S5/T6, but at the end of the game, it would be S2/T(minus) 70.

This would more accurately reflect the Aliens in the film

Then you also need a rule where you need to give a name (*cough* Ripley *cough*) to one of the models in the opposite army, making this model a special IC that halves the stats of any alien in close combat with it.
The hero(ine) has to survive, ya know?

You could also give them an extra attack in combat, after all other attacks have been resolved, to represent their barbed tongue shooting out. could be like commissar yarrick's old bale eye, but stronger and more armour piercing