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I like the part in bold, especially when you see pics of the guys. Its interesting that this minor detail was not brought up before.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/31/hack-panthers/

EDITORIAL: Hack Panthers
Justice Department is caught covering up voter intimidation
By | Friday, July 31, 2009

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ArticleComments (7)Print[-][+] Font Size E-Mail AlertsTell a FriendGot a Question?You ReportClick-2-ListenYahoo! BuzzThe Justice Department's decision to drop an already-won voter-intimidation case against members of the New Black Panther Party merits multiple, independent investigations.

On Tuesday, Rep. Frank R. Wolf, Virginia Republican, officially asked Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to refile the case. Mr. Holder should comply.

So far, the Justice Department has stonewalled legitimate inquiry. It has yet to provide records sought by this newspaper back in May. It has yet to answer a July 22 letter from Mr. Wolf that asks 35 questions on 17 different subjects relating to the Black Panther case. Justice has claimed, falsely, that the decision to drop the case was made by career attorneys only, not by political appointees. And it has declined to let congressmen interview the career attorneys who originally filed, and won, the case against the Black Panthers.

As first reported by The Washington Times, career attorneys at Justice already had won a default judgment against three Black Panthers and the party as a whole for intimidating voters at a Philadelphia polling place while wearing paramilitary-style garb, as one of them brandished a nightstick and made racial threats.

One of the Black Panthers, Jerry Jackson, was an official poll watcher for the Democratic Party and the Obama campaign. Justice Department spokesman Tracy Schmaler refused several times to say whether department lawyers consulted with any outsiders. Yet Kristen Clarke of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund confirmed that she talked about the case with Justice Department lawyers.

Ms. Schmaler said she would not talk about "internal deliberations." But if they consulted with outside groups, those deliberations by definition are not just internal.

Robert N. Driscoll, former chief of staff of the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department, told us it would be ethically dubious if political appointees consulted with outside interest groups without telling the career attorneys who filed the case. "I would be hammered if I were to have had such a meeting," he said.

Mr. Wolf's July 22 letter raised numerous discrepancies between Justice Department explanations and readily available facts. In a July 13 letter to the congressman, Assistant Attorney General Ronald Welch wrote that the department dropped the cases against the New Black Panther Party as a whole and its leader, Malik Zulu Shabazz, because "the factual contentions in the complaint did not have sufficient evidentiary support" to prove that they "managed" and "directed" the intimidating behavior of the two Panthers deployed at that polling place.

Mr. Wolf responded that, "the confession on national television by Malik Zulu Shabazz on Nov. 7, 2008, flatly contradicts your assertion. Mr. Shabazz unequivocally claims that his activities in Philadelphia were part of a nationwide effort involving hundreds of party members, and that the use of weapons was a necessary part of the Black Panther deployment."

Mr. Welch claimed one reason the charges against Mr. Jackson were dropped was that "he was a resident of the apartment building where the polling place was located," and thus allowed to be there. Mr. Wolf wrote back that Mr. Jackson "has never resided" at that address, which is a senior living facility called Guild House. At a fit and trim age 53, Mr. Jackson hardly qualifies for a retirement home.

Mr. Jackson's MySpace page still lists one of his main "general interests" as "Killing Crakkkas." Four days after the Justice Department dropped the complaint against Mr. Jackson, he again was named an official election poll watcher for the Democratic primary in Philadelphia's municipal election. How convenient.

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Mr. Jackson's MySpace page still lists one of his main "general interests" as "Killing Crakkkas."


Umm hello, he stole that from my Myspace page. My other interests include Smacking Whitey and Stomping Honkey.

Stomping Honkey sounds like a Rockabilly band.

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What, was Homey D. Clown busy that day?

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Oh they had a clown working that day.

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barlio wrote:Stomping Honkey sounds like a Rockabilly band.


If you toured Perth with your band the Stomping Honkeys, I would go. I would buy a t-shirt and everything.

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Yea but you'd have to add name for the front guy

Bubba and the Stomping Honkeys.
Yes! I would so (not ) see that!

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Well, I have wanted to learn the upright Bass. So I guess I just need to work on my mutton Chops and get some more gravel in my voice. Before you know it, you'll be wearing my band's shirt.

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I think you're looking at it wrong. How dangerous can anyone with a myspace actually be? Was he 14?

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Also, he misspelled "crackers".

Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
 
   
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Duh. Voter intimidation is only bad when Republicans do it.

   
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/04/panel-demands-panther-answers/

Panel blasts Panther case dismissal
Calls Justice's defense 'weak'
By Jerry Seper (Contact)

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights is demanding that the Justice Department explain why it recently dismissed a civil complaint against members of the New Black Panther Party who disrupted a Philadelphia polling place during last year's election, saying the department has offered only "weak justifications."

Commission Chairman Gerald A. Reynolds, a former deputy associate attorney general under President George W. Bush, said he fears the legal precedent set by the department in its May decision to drop the case might encourage "other hate groups" to act similarly at polling locations in the future.

Mr. Reynolds also charged that other groups might not have been treated so leniently.

"If you swap out the New Black Panther Party in this case for neo-Nazi groups or the Ku Klux Klan, you likely would have had a different outcome," he told The Washington Times in a telephone interview Monday.

"A single law, a single rule should be applied across the board. We are communicating with the department in hopes of gaining a better understanding of just what happened."

The commission is an independent, fact-finding body charged with investigating civil rights complaints and making recommendations to the federal government about how to fix problems it uncovers.

In January, the Justice Department filed a civil complaint in Philadelphia against the New Black Panther Party after two of its members in black berets, black combat boots, black shirts and black jackets purportedly intimidated voters with racial insults, slurs and a nightstick. A third party member was accused of managing, directing and endorsing their behavior. The incident was captured on videotape.

Four months later, Justice officials dropped the charges because, they said, "the facts and the law did not support pursuing" them. They also said the party had disavowed what happened in Philadelphia, had suspended that city's chapter and that one of the Panthers, Jerry Jackson, had been allowed by Philadelphia police to stay at the polling place as a certified Democratic poll watcher.

But before the charges were dropped, a federal judge in April ordered default judgments against the Panthers after the party members refused to respond to the charges or appear in court. The Justice Department was also in the final stages of seeking sanctions when a delay in the proceedings was ordered by Loretta King, acting assistant attorney general.

The ruling was issued after she met with Associate Attorney General Thomas J. Perrelli, the department's No. 3 political appointee, who approved the decision, according to interviews with department officials who sought anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the case.

Mr. Reynolds said the "consequences for an act should not be withdrawn." He also described as "poor judgment" the decision to allow Mr. Jackson to escape charges, saying he would "understand a judge imposing an even harsher sentence on a poll watcher - a person who holds a public trust, has gone through training and is sworn to protect the election process."

Named by Mr. Bush in 2004 to head the civil rights commission, Mr. Reynolds also served as assistant secretary of education for the Office for Civil Rights.

Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler, asked about Mr. Reynolds' comments, said the department is "committed to vigorous enforcement of the laws protecting anyone exercising his or her right to vote."

The New Black Panther Party did not return an e-mail for comment and its voice mail at its Washington, D.C., headquarters was full.

In a June 16 letter, the commission told the Justice Department that its decision to drop the case had caused it "great confusion" since the New Black Panther Party's members were "caught on video blocking access to the polls, and physically threatening and verbally harassing voters."

The letter said that even after the case had been won, the department "took the unusual move of voluntarily dismissing the charges," which, it wrote, sent "the wrong message entirely - that attempts at voter suppression will be tolerated and will not be vigorously prosecuted so long as the groups or individuals who engage in them fail to respond to the charges leveled against them."

Named in the complaint were the New Black Panther Party; its chairman, Malik Zulu Shabazz, a lawyer and D.C. resident; Minister King Samir Shabazz, a Philadelphia resident and head of the Philadelphia NBPP chapter; and Mr. Jackson, also a resident of Philadelphia.


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Ok so is the Council just seeking answers, or is too late to do anything at all since the charges were dropped?

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Can't overturn the Presidency. Could push the Justice department to re-review the case. Can fine the Democratic party (one was a Dem party poll watcher). Not sure what else.

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I don't really know why Holder wouldn't take action. This could very easily be spun as a party-purge of miscreants.

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I can but am not going into that on this board.

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Well the obvious reason is base alienation. Not usually a good idea to turn away your more rabid supporters.

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Can't overturn the Presidency.


For that guy to manage to intimidate enough voters to actually effect the election at all he would have to be some sort of superhuman time wizard. I guess the democratic version of no paper trail hacked voting machines placing 5000 unnamed votes for bush is just one black Doctor Who intimidating millions of voters at once across the nation.

But I do find it strange that the charges were dropped, and by strange I mean corrupt. And by corrupt I mean those people should lose their jobs. Now.

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ShumaGorath wrote:For that guy to manage to intimidate enough voters to actually effect the election at all he would have to be some sort of superhuman time wizard.


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