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So I tried searching for this but couldn't find anything useful; if there is already a thread on this just point me to the right direction.

Do models killed by a deffrolla count towards the 25% casualties to force a leadership check? ie If I kill 2 of 10 space marines and then kill one more by shooting would the be forced to take a leadership check because they lost three models of ten, or would they not have to because they lost one model of eight in the shooting phase? I don't have my rulebook on me so I can't look up exact wording but I am really curious.

Thanks for your help.

The rules state that you make a check when you take 25% casualties in one phase.

Deffrolas cause their wounds in the movement phase, not the shooting phase. So, the Rolla wounds to not count towards the shooting phase wounds for checks.

However, if you cause 25% casualties from the Deffrolla alone, then you would force a check in the movement phase.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you hit a squad with a deffrolla, don't they already have to make a morale check to avoid falling back due to tank shock.

True, I was just wondering how many moral checks I could make one squad potentially take with a deff rolla, and it looks like just one.

One with a 'rolla and then another one with shooting. And then again in the assault phase.

n3koj1n wrote:Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you hit a squad with a deffrolla, don't they already have to make a morale check to avoid falling back due to tank shock.

Yes, you force a check with tank shock.

Then, if you cause enough wounds with the d6 hits (or 2d6 S10 hits if that unit which opts to DoG ) to create 25% casualties, you would force a second check.

Can you force a second moral check in one phase? I thought you only make one moral check per phase. So if he already pass the moral check for tank shock, he shouldn't be force to make a second moral check by deffrolla kills.

pg 44.
A and C can only really happen once per phase.

B could happen over and over again in the same phase.