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I just started to get into Warhammer and came up for a general outline of what I wanted to have eventually. I chose Orks and here goes. Ill sort them by the units I was hoping to field them in. Any comments, feedback what can be better and some pointers on how to gather all these figs would be greatly appreciated.

HQ

Ghazghkull Thraka w/ Ammo Runt

Big Mek w/ a Shokk Gun

Elite

5x Mega Nobz w/1 Rokkit, 1 Skorcha
1x Painboy
Dedicated transport- Battlewagon w/ Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Armour Plates, 1 Big Shoota

12x Lootas
2x Meks w/ Kustom Mega Blasta, Grot oilers(1 each)

12x Kommandos w/ 2 Burnas
1x Boss Snikrot

Troops

20x Boyz w/ 1 Bigh Shoota, 1 Rokkit
1x Nob w/ Powerklaw, Bosspole
(This unit is the same 3 times)

12 Boyz w/ 1 Rokkit
1 Nob w/ Powerclaw, Bosspole
Dedicated transport- 1x Trukk w/ Armour Plates, Red Paint Job, Reinforced Ram

1 DeffDread w/ Kustom Mega Blasta, Close combat Weapon, Armour plates, Grot Riggers
(only when I get around to getting the Big Mek HQ)

Fast Attack

6x Warbikes with 1x Nob w/ Powerklaw, Bosspole
1x Painboy w/ Gives all Cyborg Body

15x Stormboys with 1 Nob w/ Powerklaw, Bosspole

3x Deffkoptas w/ 3x Twin-linked Rokkits

Heavy Support

1x Battlewagon w/ KillKannon, 'Ard Case, Red Paint Job, Armour Plates, 1x Rokkit Launcher, 1x Big Shoota, Grot Riggers, Reinforced Ram

3x Killa Kans w/ 3x Kustom Mega Blasters, 3x Armour Plates

10x Flashgitz (Yes apparently they are garbage but i think they would be fun to play w/ More Dakka, Blastas
1x Painboy w/ All Cyborg Bodies
1x Kaptain Badruk

Ok there it is. A final note, I havent bought anything yet this was just what I put together after reading the rulebook, codex, and a little bit on the forums. I didnt add points in but I think(If Im not a total Idiot, which might be debatable) that it works to 3514 pts.

Edit: Gazaghkull I was planning to put with the Mega Nobz

there is a lot here. I'll start by saying somethings are fun, but not competitive. The shokk gun is fun, but too random to depend on. Stormboyz and gitzs are fun, but are not as effective as other choices in the codex.

This is the starting point. Is this army for friendly games or competitive play? What is this armies theme? Is it all mech? Is it KOS? Is it kan wall? Is it footsloggin? Is it a shooty army? This will help dictate when you should be taking.

Maybe I'm confused, but you are listing painboyz and cyborg bodies in units that I don't remember having that option. Killa Kans can have armour plates? I don't have my codex with me, but alot of this doesn't sound right.


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round 2,

Start out small. 3000 pts is apoc level. Most games are at the 1000-1500 level. You should start there. I mean all those models are expensive and need to be built and painted.

Also deffdreads with anything but CCWs or skorchas is just a waste IMO. Dreads are for assault. The bigger guns just aren't going to be that useful with their BS2. I do 4 CCW dreads or 2 skorchas 2 CCW. I like that load out.

Like I said before you need a unified theme for an ork army to be effective if you want to be able to win agianst other well built army lists. Here is the core of any army:

1 HQ = PK warboss or KFF Mek or Ghaz
troops = all boyz in trucks with PK nobz+BP or 20 boyz squads in BWs with PK nob + BP or all boyz on foot in 20-30 boyz squads with PK nob+BP.

That's the core of a strong ork list. Try and make sure everything in your army is moving at the same speed. If you attack in waves you'll probably be picked apart. Orks don't really have great armor (you can fix that with cyborg bodies, heavy armor, pain boyz mega armor etc but at it's core an ork army is a light armored horde army). The more boyz the better. It may seem boring but that's what works. After that you can think about what extra specialized units to add, which mostly depends on what you are facing off agianst. The mantra on Dakka seems to be "boyz before toyz".

Also, cant get painboy with meganobz, only regular nobz, ubnless you go mad dok grotsnik. My brother loves him, I hate him. I agree that the list might be fun, but I would still design my fun lists to 2000, 2500 tops, as these will be the larger of your 40k standard force org. games. But it is a game so do what you want

I would take the Painboy with the boyz instead of the nobz. the nobz have 2 wounds already, But those boyz could really benefit from having the painboy there.

Another thing, if this is a 3500 point list, this classifies as an apocalypse list, you are going to want to take out some of your expensive vehicles and use a ton more boys. 32 normal boys is far too few for a game of this size, you should have over 100.

20 boyz 3 times, not just 20

hi im kinda of a newbie @ 40k, i havent really played often. here my list for 1250 eldar list. rip it apart.

farseer w/doom,guide,forune,runes of warding,
runes of witnes, & spirit stones

2 x10 dire avengers w/wave serpents [vectored engines]
exarchs w defend & bladestorm & 2 shuriken pistols

1 x8 howling banshees w/wave serpent [vectored engines]
exarch w/ executioner & war shout & acrobatic

1 x6 fire dragons w/ wave serpent [vectored engines]
exarch w/firepike & tank hunters & crack shot

i think it is decent for a 1250pt tournament. comments...

First thanks for all the advice. Ok in order here goes Im pretty sure i can set the painboyz into those units but chances are Im completely wrong, ill have to check the codex.

This army is going to be mainly for friendly(kill each other) games.

Tell ya the truth I have played like 3 time so right now its really a mish mash of what I really liked when I read it and tried to get it all together. Also I know 3000pts is WAY too big to start out with, this was more what I would aspire to get right off for sure.

I think for theme Im trying to get a mix of Green Tide and Mech. The guys I play with have several serious pieces that most of my regular units cant even touch eg. Nightbringer or Monoliths. I want something to counter the heavy hitters of the other team thats why I have some of the big guns in there. If there is another way to counter this then Im all ears.

The Painboy with the boyz sounds like a good idea. Can i still have a Nob with a PK and a Bosspole with them as well?

I'm a pretty experienced ork play so let me share some wisdom

HQ

Ghazghkull Thraka w/ Ammo Runt

Big Mek w/ a Shokk Gun

Taking Ghazkull can be fun, he's mighty powerful in closecombat being that you can call his waaagh at anytime, pretty much giving you a +2 invulnerable when you need it. He is a heavy points sink, but if you combine hime with another good unit he can be dead killy

Big meks are great, the shokk gun isn't, yeah its cool and can kill stuff, but the randomness makes this weapon less than impressive. A big mek with a kustom force field, and either a powerklaw or burna is even better. HE'll be giving a cover save boost to a lot of orks as they close into the assault.

Elite

5x Mega Nobz w/1 Rokkit, 1 Skorcha
1x Painboy
Dedicated transport- Battlewagon w/ Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Armour Plates, 1 Big Shoota

12x Lootas
2x Meks w/ Kustom Mega Blasta, Grot oilers(1 each)

12x Kommandos w/ 2 Burnas
1x Boss Snikrot

First Meganobs can't take a painboy, second even if they could drop, them anyway. they're too expensive points wise to be very effective. A better choice would be a 10 strong unit of nobz with maybe 3 powerkalws in it and the painboy. If you combine them with ghazkull and the mek with the KFF you'll have a nigh invulnerable unit that can take on just about anything. It'll be expensive and a massive target for blast weapons but once in HtH you'll kill anything.

Lootas are good, but I always recommend taking them in a full unit of 15 or two units or 7-8 that way you can split their fire and deploy them to provide wider firing arcs.

I like the commandos with burnas and snikrot, they provde the orks with much needed cunning, and there's nothing better than seeing your enemys face when they come on a table edge and right into an assault with a unit holding a back objective.

Troops

20x Boyz w/ 1 Bigh Shoota, 1 Rokkit
1x Nob w/ Powerklaw, Bosspole
(This unit is the same 3 times)

12 Boyz w/ 1 Rokkit
1 Nob w/ Powerclaw, Bosspole
Dedicated transport- 1x Trukk w/ Armour Plates, Red Paint Job, Reinforced Ram

1 DeffDread w/ Kustom Mega Blasta, Close combat Weapon, Armour plates, Grot Riggers
(only when I get around to getting the Big Mek HQ)

Your're troops aren't bad, but you need to decide what you want they're to varied you have 3 choices only two of which are scoring. Like others have said think about what you want to do, be fast and mobile or strong and slow and go with that. You need at least three of the exact same troop types. whether its 3 30 strong mobs or 3 trukk boy squads you need more.

Fast Attack

6x Warbikes with 1x Nob w/ Powerklaw, Bosspole
1x Painboy w/ Gives all Cyborg Body

15x Stormboys with 1 Nob w/ Powerklaw, Bosspole

3x Deffkoptas w/ 3x Twin-linked Rokkits

Drop the bikes, bikes are a waste of points. 25 points for an ork that can move 12" and not waaagh is worthless. put those points into more storm boyz.

Stormboyz are great, for a relatively low cost of 12 points they can dep strike to get at back objectives or static units. They're fast moving, easier to hide in scenery than bikes and less vulnerable to blast weapons. I love stormboys. You squad size now is 16, keep it there as anything bigger needs to give you to big a footprint on the table.

The deffcoptas, get rid of them. They are an awful waste of points. For something so cool it's a shame they suck so bad.

Heavy Support

1x Battlewagon w/ KillKannon, 'Ard Case, Red Paint Job, Armour Plates, 1x Rokkit Launcher, 1x Big Shoota, Grot Riggers, Reinforced Ram

3x Killa Kans w/ 3x Kustom Mega Blasters, 3x Armour Plates

10x Flashgitz (Yes apparently they are garbage but i think they would be fun to play w/ More Dakka, Blastas
1x Painboy w/ All Cyborg Bodies
1x Kaptain Badruk

The battlewagon is pretty good, but with the points you saved from the deffcoptas you can have more shootas or rokkits on it.

Def get rid of the flashgits, i know you say they're fun to play but once you pay for the models and paint them or whatever, when you're pulling them off the table in droves and thinking about the wasted points moeny and time spent on them, it's not gonna be fun.

Edit: Using ghazhkull with the nobz and painboy will allow you to go head to head with the nightbringer. I can't garuntee that you'll beat him, but you'll definitely put him in the hospital.

As a side note, I've found the best way to actually kill the nightbringer with orks is to just pound him with as many lootas as you can. The str 7 of the deffgunz means he's gonna be rolling a lot of saves and he can't save them all.

Thanks a bunch. Im gonna cut down and revamp my list based on the feedback Ive gotten. I think Im gonna try for Kult of Speed but we'll see how it turns out. Thanks again and you guys can rip the new one to shreds as soon as I think of it.

K so Ive been kinda side tracked and had a few debts to pay so this is what Im working with as of now. I wouldnt mind some advice(even just personal preferance) on what to work towards next and what your tactics would be. Anyways heres the list, thoughts, ideas, criticism, a minor "Your an idiot" bomb, anything is appreciated.

HQ

Warboss -PK, Bosspole, 'eavy armour, Cybrog body, TL shoota

Warboss -PK, Bosspole, 'eavy armour, Cybrog body, TL shoota

Elites

7 Nobs- 'eavy armour, Stikkbombz
Trukk- RPJ, Grot riggers, armour plates, boarding plank, reinforced ram

5 Nobs- 'eavy armour, Stikkbombz, Cyborg bodies, Painboy w/ Grot Orderly
Trukk- RPJ, Grot riggers, armour plates, boarding plank, reinforced ram

9 Lootas (Im using them all as Lootas, in fact 1 is Mek and 4 are burnas)- 1 Mek

Troops

30 Boyz -Stikkbombz, 2 Big Shootas, 1 Rokkit, 1 Nob w/ PK, Bosspole, 'eavy armour

30 Boyz -Stikkbombz, 2 Big Shootas, 1 Rokkit, 1 Nob w/ PK, Bosspole, 'eavy armour

18 Boyz -Stikkbombz, 1 Rokkit, I Big Shoota, 1 Nob w/ Bosspole, 'eavy armour

Fast Attack

6 Nob Bikers (Just thought about it, are these considered elites?) - 'eavy armour, 1 PK, 2 Big Choppas, 1 Bosspole(I now realize redundant)

3 Deff Koptas- TL Rokkit Launcha, 3 Bigbomm, 3 Buzzsaw

3 Deff Koptas- TL Rokkit Launcha, 3 Bigbomm, 3 Buzzsaw

Thats it. Now I prefer to have the actual stuff but am not totally opposed to making a couple things myself(Maybe a battlewagon or some such)
Im playing against 'nids, tin heads(Necron) Marines and Chaos Marines, My biggest two i have problems with being the Marines and Chaos Marines. Now I am still fairly new so Im sure im still making tactical mistakes but especially the marines seem to plow me most of the time. Both these players have been collecting for a while so they have around 7K or so each maybe a bit more at their disposal but mostly deployed is Rhinos, a couple predators and if points allow a land raider. My main thing with this force is dealing with things like Monolith, Nightbringer, and Terminators with Lighting Claws(the chaos guy fields his with Abbadon. Anyways thats it for me, once again thanks for any help opinions or personal preferences.

Edit: Also I play mostly against Space Marines or Chaos Marines, but things that are a little more general would help too.