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While a few threads have occurred recently about some negative comments to people and flaming on certain boards, i thought of something that might/could/probably shouldn't be considered. If the mod's are having issues towards a poster who haven't been obeying the forum rules and they aren't sure if they should ban them or not, they should create a public vote, on which the fellow dakkadakka members vote for approval, the majority of the votes win simply. There are a few bumps and forks in this idea but it could be an option if they mod's have an unsure doubt of banning.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
Here's a hypothetical scenario for you: Two people fall out on these boards, the first ,as far as the community is aware, is a curmudgeonly old bastard bloke who occasionally rails about GW and remembers when 'all this were fields', the other, as far as the community is aware, is a teenage girl with an interest in lolicon lesbian anime.
The community, as far as the community is aware, is made up in the huge majority, by fellas, some of whom allow their other brains to rule in all things. I would think the first would be out on his arse in about 2 seconds flat as the huge lobbying (slobbering?) mob of fanbois for said perceived teenage girl all imagined themselves brave knights as they pressed the 'eject button' for the old bastard.
Which one of them was 'wrong' in the argument that had taken place would be irrelevant to the voting, which one of them has the biggest friends list or spams the most threads with smileys and also is perceived to be the girl would be the victor in those cases. In other cases you can certainly see where people who have cultured a 'cult of self' via pure self belief and ego could use said cult to further drive out anyone not 'down with the program'.
I for one, despite having had a clip round the ear on occasion, am very glad of the moderators on this forum, it's a mixed bunch of folks but they come together and produce a level of professionalism that's rarely seen on the interwebs. Mob rule never works, the dakka forums would become a constant witch hunt and certain people would become unrelenting bullies and others would use the opportunity for letting slip their passive aggressive passions to finger point and accuse of sleight to anyone that did not festoon them with adoration. The boards would be deserted wastelands in months. Ever see those nature programs with the amazonian fish caught in the pools in the dry season? As the water began to evaporate, they would turn on the other types of fish, then on their own kind.
Having spend several years as a moderator myself for very large site, I am a firm believer that the best form of government for these things is a benevolent dictatorship.
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Here's a hypothetical scenario for you: Two people fall out on these boards, the first ,as far as the community is aware, is a curmudgeonly old bastard bloke who occasionally rails about GW and remembers when 'all this were fields', the other, as far as the community is aware, is a teenage girl with an interest in lolicon lesbian anime.
The community, as far as the community is aware, is made up in the huge majority, by fellas, some of whom allow their other brains to rule in all things. I would think the first would be out on his arse in about 2 seconds flat as the huge lobbying (slobbering?) mob of fanbois for said perceived teenage girl all imagined themselves brave knights as they pressed the 'eject button' for the old bastard.
I dunno, I like the older blokes around here. They remind me of how great it is to be a youthful and sprightly teenager.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
What? I *do* appreciate having people like Frazzled and H.B.M.C. around. You know how sickening it is to go on MySpace and see frothing hordes of pimply teenage guys and camwhores? I like Dakka because there's such a broad range of people from different age groups and countries.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
I know that their would be some negative problems with this idea and i know that the moderators are extremely experienced and a good general bunch but this 'idea' is similar to democracy voting, so that its based on the individual persons feelings towards the one person to which is being banned or not. Not a choice between two people, if their is 2 people to be banned, each person would have a individual poll for example, you log in a pop-up would show up:
"X" has been considered to be "Y" in the forums and has been put on the public polls for "Z" charges, simply vote yes if you wish for "X" to continue being in this forum, if not vote no.
This is just a quick example and the "real" one would be worded more correctly...
so the public voting would be on one person (by choice of moderators, this wouldn't be viewed at lightly) and the result wouldn't been shown to avoid negative reactions.
Gutteridge wrote:I know that their would be some negative problems with this idea and i know that the moderators are extremely experienced and a good general bunch but this 'idea' is similar to democracy voting, so that its based on the individual persons feelings towards the one person to which is being banned or not. Not a choice between two people, if their is 2 people to be banned, each person would have a individual poll for example, you log in a pop-up would show up:
"X" has been considered to be "Y" in the forums and has been put on the public polls for "Z" charges, simply vote yes if you wish for "X" to continue being in this forum, if not vote no.
This is just a quick example and the "real" one would be worded more correctly...
so the public voting would be on one person (by choice of moderators, this wouldn't be viewed at lightly) and the result wouldn't been shown to avoid negative reactions.
thoughts?
But is this your forum? DCMs have certainly got some small stake there, mods as well but ultimately this is private property and that's what your missing on what your suggesting. We are all camping out in Yakface and Legoburner's backyard, they can drop kick who they like because this bit of the interwebs belongs to them (or just yakface since he bought it? but you see my point).
Half the crazies camping in the backyard don't get to evict the othe half of the crazies camping in the Admin's back yard.
Now lets get back to playing the game, just like Jervis wants us playin it!!
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Legoburner and Yakface are the legal owners of the forum, so their word is THE LAW, because they would bear responsibility for any legal shenanigans that might arise (libel, for example -- God forbid that it ever would!)
The Moderator team operates under the broad principles laid down by the owners. Obviously we agree with these principles or we would not be moderators.
Despite that, there is enough diversity among the team to ensure that group think does not occur.
Considerable discussion goes on behind the scenes about topics such as permanent bans and other administrative matters. It isn't government by diktat.
The number of permanently banned users is very very small compared to the total user-base. The number of suspensions and even warnings is fairly small considering the amount of traffic.
That is partly because Dakka has a fairly clear posting culture, maintained by the users as well as moderators. Newcomers soon either learn how to fit into it or leave for sites which match their personality better.
This is as it should be.
Obviously there are frequent points of friction; that's unavoidable when you have such a large and diverse community operating in the difficult communication environment of non-real-time text with effective anonymity. The issue is not to avoid all arguments, it is to stop them being nasty.
If a particular forum gets a lot of complaints, the team look into it and take appropriate action. Such action may not be obvious, it may be simply a higher ‘patrol rate’ for a while, in order to calm the situation down.
Finally, Dakka contains a lot of different forums. It has as much to offer the modeller or the fluff fan as the rule enthusiast. The perception of a problem in one forum should not destroy the overall usefulness of the site.
Killkrazy wrote:That is partly because Dakka has a fairly clear posting culture, maintained by the users as well as moderators. Newcomers soon either learn how to fit into it or leave for sites which match their personality better.
Incidentally, what kind of personality would you say this forum 'fits'? I can certainly see stronger support for one side of a controversial issue; the Obama administration, for instance, and there are a few 'elitist' types around, but I don't think that Dakka is designed to fit a specific kind of person.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
Killkrazy wrote:That is partly because Dakka has a fairly clear posting culture, maintained by the users as well as moderators. Newcomers soon either learn how to fit into it or leave for sites which match their personality better.
Incidentally, what kind of personality would you say this forum 'fits'? I can certainly see stronger support for one side of a controversial issue; the Obama administration, for instance, and there are a few 'elitist' types around, but I don't think that Dakka is designed to fit a specific kind of person.
There are certainly specific types it doesn't fit. For example, Gabe in this strip.
greenskin lynn wrote:coming soon to a dakka near you........the dakka dakka thunder dome, Frazz shall rule over it with a shotgun and a oversized hat
Lord Frazzled is pleased.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Bollocks, everyone knows it would be you running about with Malfred clinging to your shoulders like Master blaster...
All your socks are belong to me!!!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Bollocks, everyone knows it would be you running about with Malfred clinging to your shoulders like Master blaster...
Why wouldn't Fraz like it? He'd be touching Malf's awesome sack all day.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
Fatum Iustum Stultorum 
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