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what do reackon will happen if we get a new codex

Its hard to imagine what will happen.
First, there should be some new models for Warriors, Haemonculi, and Wyches.
Second, there should be some special rules for the paper-thin skimmers and a larger armory.

If DE get a new Codex?

Very possible to see an overall nerf as DE are still competitive today.

Low-priority Wargear will go way, while core Wargear will be built into models or be made unit-specfic.

Warrior Squads will cost more, and not have as many Dark Lances / Special Weapons.

Webway portals will be replaced by a Deep Strike option, unless GW makes a model for the portal.

Elite Harlequin option.

Plastic Wyches & Ravagers

The universe will implode and we'll get Codex: Squats shortly after.

I guess that GW will not consider a new codex for DE.
Too less players means too less benefit.

Hopefully, something so beautiful that DE players will laugh manically as those too stupid to realize the power of DE will be swept aside in cleansing fire and pain...

In all honesty, I just want a new codex.

Cryonicleech wrote:In all honesty, I just want a new codex.

If Robin Crudace writes it, you might rethink that request.

What you really want is new minis!

Didn't Jervis write the current one?

Dunno. I only have the original 3E one, not the update.

n0t_u wrote:Didn't Jervis write the current one?

I think mainly Gav Thorpe wrote the current one.
He also wrote the experimental Harlequin codex.

Cryonicleech wrote:
In all honesty, I just want a new codex.

Sshhh! Now cut that out! I finally got my Dark Eldar to where they are winning events and I don't want a new codex mucking it all up .

wuestenfux wrote:

n0t_u wrote:Didn't Jervis write the current one?

I think mainly Gav Thorpe wrote the current one.
He also wrote the experimental Harlequin codex.

Just checked both of them. They both wrote them.

one of two things.

1) The 2nd coming/rapture

2) Aliens invade and take over earth forever denying us our codex.

That aside it would be nice to have our models supported by my FLGS again.

Cryonicleech wrote:In all honesty, I just want a new codex.

Be careful what you wish for.

Deathbot wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:In all honesty, I just want a new codex.

Be careful what you wish for.

QFT, as gardeth has already stated,DE armies seem to be doing fairly well in 5th ed, a new codex just might screw that up for all you DE players.

I'm sure a new codex with improved models that is streamlined to the 5th edition would be very useful for DE players.
But GW is simply not in the mood to provide a new codex.
Wait, Brimstone at Warseer as remarked (as a side note) that the DE codex was postponed to 2010.

I see a update for 5th edition but not a completely new codex.


Really you don't want a new codex its still pretty competitive

Hollismason wrote:I see a update for 5th edition but not a completely new codex.

How should such an update look like?
An updated FAQ?

I say,
Look for a much needed redo of the DE model line. There are some hints in the BRB in that you don't see any over sized helmet blades, Hellions, Sybarites, or Raider/Ravagers. The DE warrior concept drawing on pg 174 looks to be a nice viable update to the warrior line in that it looks like an adapted Eldar model. This fits with GWs profit policy of making multiple armies out of a single model line.

IMO, Look for the following model changes:

1)GW will incorporate slightly modified versions of the Eldar model line to cut design and production costs.

2)Look for a new vehicle model. Something along the Vyper line.

3)Jet-bikes are a coin flip. Can see the models getting a refresh with more Eldar and less "over compensation".

4)The DE models will probably become a bit more PC by toning down the S&M look. Wyches may get a bit more clothing, but then again demonettes were recent.


Then there will be some rules updates and changes. I think something along the lines of the following:

1) Elimination of all outdated terminology and updating wargear to be current.

2) Reworked army wide special rules. Maybe changing the capturing enemy rules to each one captured gives them +1 KP in annihilation scenarios.

3) Some special characters will be introduced with their own special rules and the the existing Special characters will get updated.

4)Combat drugs may go the way of the PC do-do but I hope not. The DE are supposed to be evil.

5)The DE will be adapted to be able to hold objectives a little better

6) Talos rules will be streamlined

This is the basic lay out of how I see gw updating the DE.

I don't want a new codex. We're doing quite alright in 5th thank you, I'll pass on the nerfhammer.

I am Really sick of people speculating as to whether there will be a new Dark Eldar codex. This has already been discussed. An entirely new Codex is coming out, possibly as early as 2010, but quite likely not until 2011.

It will be written by Phil Kelly. This is good.

The model range is currently being entirely resculpted by Jes Goodwin. This is also good.

Jes Goodwin is sculpting all new models for the DE. He's working on them slowly, because that's how he works, but they are in progress.

There will also be a new Codex, for those who somehow didn't know that already, and it will be written by pro Codex-Writer Phil Kelly.

Of course, it won't be released until the miniatures are sculpted, but that's a work in progress. Jes Goodwin is sculpting them, so that they can be released along with a new Codex which is being written by Phil Kelly.

Phil Kelly is writing said new Codex (Dark Eldar) after he has finished writing Codex: Space Wolves, which he is currently working on. While he is writing it, Jes Goodwin (a miniature sculptor) will continue to work on sculpting new models for the Dark Eldar, which will also be getting a new Codex at an as of yet undefined point in the future.

This new Codex will be written by Phil Kelly, who is currently working on Codex: Space Wolves. It sounds like it should be a swell Codex, as there are new Dark Eldar (a race from 40k) models being released with it, which will be sculpted by Jes Goodwin.

In addition to this news, we have already seen pictures of some of the new Haemonculos sculpts:



This picture is new and amazing. You should probably go and submit it to the News and Rumors forum right now so that everyone else can see it too!!

In fact, it was probably sculpted by Jes Goodwin (he's a miniature sculptor, Cpt. A.D.D.) himself! You'll probably be able to purchase these very models!

Speaking of new models, do you reckon there'll be any new Dark Eldar?

Why yes, in fact, there will! Jes Goodwin (the man behind Space Marinez) is sculpting a new range of Dark Eldar miniatures, which will be released along with a new Codex written by Phil Kelly! Isn't that totally awesome?

I wonder if there will be a new Dark Eldar codex.

Too bad GW themselves say that Juan Diaz' Haemonculi models are too delicate for them to cast...

There's only one unassailable truth about the future Dark Eldar codex: No one's going to stop asking when it's going to come out until it's released.

Of course, before that happens, people are going to start complaining about how in the new codex everything gets ruined and nerfed. Would it be too much for GW to not release preview copies so that we could have a day or two of peace?

Dark eldar need some ravangers that dont break in the wind

Some suggestions for the new codex if it ever comes...

1. More survivable Ravagers with AV 12 (front and side) and built-in night shield.

2. Special disembark rule for Raiders after they crashed, similar to Orks' Trukkz. After all, they are open topped.

3. Warrior squads with one splinter cannon or dark lance as per 5 models.

4. Taloi should have toughness 8 such as Wraithlords as they die too easily from small-arms fire.

5. Wyches should get 5+ cover save such as Harlies and keep the 4+ dodge save.

6. Scourges should be weapon platforms such as Termies able to fire dark lances even when they moved.

Thoughts?

Rumor has it the codex is finished. Phil was done before he started SWs, we're just waiting on models.
Supposedly Mandrakes will be so much better that they are going to become a staple for DE armies. "Like units of mini-Lictors" is a phrase rumored to have come from Phil Kelly. Not sure if that means rending or poison (or both! ). Kinda exciting. Mandrakes were a unit that I always wanted to love, but they suck so bad...
The most exciting thing would be to finally get some quality fluff. They have nothing at the moment. Just a few brief narratives.

I can't see DE getting worse. They have too many units which GW knows are completely worthless. If all they do is make those units viable and throw in a couple new units, our versatility would quadruple. GW knows it will be better served by making the army more user friendly. They might even overpower them a little just to make sure they sell...

EDIT:
Recent post from Librarium Online from Deris87:

I had a chat with my local GW manager for about an hour today concerning his conversations with Phil Kelly at Adepticon. This manager is normally tight as a clam about rumors and tidbits but being a pointy ear player himself he was pretty eager to share. He didn't mention any real rules nitty gritty but he did tell me a few things that make me really eager to see a new dex.

-Fluff concerning DE society and particularly religion are going to be fleshed out a lot more, to show more of their similarities and differences with Craftworld Eldar. He said Kelly put particular emphasis on how in both fluff and game mechanics Eldar and Dark Eldar are very much mirrors of each other.

-There will be a Dark Avatar of Khaine, as well as Harlequins in the new dex.

-It really will be a ground up re-write of the dex, don't expect the army to look the same. He did say raider rush style assault lists will certainly still be there though.

Grain of salt and what not. I personally don't have any reason to doubt this manager, but certainly any of this could change by the actual release of the dex. Even if this is just a glimpse into their vision right now for the dex, I'm really excited by it. Dark Avatar of Khaine would be awesome, he also said there'd be a new plastic model for it along with new regular Eldar plastics coming out down the road.

He then posted later:

And I forgot one of the best parts, he said Arhra would definitely be in the new dex as one of the special characters. Possibilities for an incubi army? That could be really cool!

Mandrakes are rarely used in DE armies.

One Mandrake should be upgraded to a leader that has access to the armory (agonizer, power weapon).
Mandrake units with one special weapon (shredder or blaster) as per 5 models would be awesome.

my guess re. mandrakes-

will be given some kind of poison special rule, or an extra attack; same points as normal though (i think that's all they'd need to be considered in lists).

can't see them with leaders though fluff wise?
if they do, I don't think they'll have access to most of the wargear.

just guesses!

I play DE, and win much more than my share of games. The current DE list, at least the usable part of it, is in fact competitive.

Despite this, I DO want a new Codex, even it means DE become (slightly) less competitive than they are now. The current list is extremely restrictive; the constellation of effective builds is small and depends on spamming the few good units and options available. It's challenging to play at first, but after a while it is not particularly motivating to being locked into the same list month after month, year after year.

Inter-Codex balance is as important as intra-Codex balance, and the current DE Codex is internally very imbalanced. With few exceptions, most of the 'specialized' units are clearly outperformed in their supposed roles by less expensive, more flexible, and scoring basic Troop units, thus the ubiquitous 'Raider Spam' list.

Colorful and potentially cool units such as Mandrakes, Hellions and Scourges, which ought to be poster-boys for the DE's fast and mobile raiding style are left off the table.

Looking at the SM, IG, Ork and Eldar Codices and their wider options instills a great deal of jealousy. It's probably true that life isn't all milk and honey for these armies, but these all have a much wider range of (possibly) effective units and builds, and you see a diverse army themes and philosophies being put onto the table: mechanized lists, footslogging hordes, elite mixed forces, basic troop-heavy, special character-driven alternate chapter variants, etc.

So, um, a new Codex please. But don't hose DE too hard, mkay?

LMoE


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One thing I'd like to see in a new DE Codex is more emphasis on making specialized units much deadlier when performing their roles but extremely vulnerable to being caught out of position. This is a bit how they play now, powerful but unforgiving of mistakes and the polar opposite of SM (especially) and some other armies that rely on high armor and toughness to cover up their tactical mistakes.

Wyches are a reasonable example of this with the current list. IF and when they are locked in close combat, they're deadly and survivable, although they suffer from the removal of sweeping advances in 5th. Caught out in the open, out of combat (e.g. after your savvy opponent singles out their raider for annihilation first), they're completely dead meat.

I'd also like to see something like the Eldar exarch power upgrades for specialty units. I think it would help reinforce the common heritage between the two without being a complete clone, and it would allow players to turn specialty unit's defining traits "to 11", at a cost.

[For the example, the costs for the units and upgrades should be balanced and do not assume current costs. I realize that this is may be an unrealistic dream.]

For example, mandrakes should get some special bonuses when assaulting on the turn they reveal themselves, but considerably less scary once they've de-cloaked. I like the improved bonus in area terrain, but should otherwise have NO armor save. I think they should be more vulnerable when BEING charged. A cool sybarite power would be to allow them to re-conceal themselves on a subsequent movement phase [similar to the Swooping Hawk's skyleap exarch power].

Scourges need to have either the option for assault lances (blasters or 18" S8 AP2 lance assault) rather than DL OR the ability to move and fire DL after moving, as well as a significant cost balance. I'd like to see them with the Tau jetpack move-shoot-move rule, either standard or as a sybarite upgrade power.

I'd like to see Hellions get better bonuses on the charge and an additional attack and keep Hit-and-Run, not to mention an unambiguous ranged weapon type (assault, not rapid fire!). A cool but pricey succubus upgrade might be some way to escape close combat via Hit-and-Run (initiative roll-off?) before the opponent counter-attacks.

I know a lot of this is pie-in-the-sky, but I'd love to see DE be challenging to play and play against, absolutely terrifying to face as long as the DE player is able to dictate the tempo, but fall apart as quickly as a raider facing bolter fire if the DE player leaves his ass hanging out.

LMoE