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I've been playing nids since I started playing some 4 or 5 months ago, and I've always been meaning to ask these questions but just now remembered lol. So please, someone with more rules knowledge than me, help!

1) Bone sword + Whip. Does this count as 2 CC weps? If so, does it grant +1 bonus attacks like everything else? The rules for it does not specify.

2) Implant Attack. Now the rule states any UNSAVED wound it takes 2 wounds. Does this mean a MC doing a wound counts as unsaved (even tho most models won't get a save)? If they fail a save against, say, a genestealer, does the UNIT take another wound, or does the model?

3) Biovores. Do these count as artillery so they can shoot without seeing the target (like basilisks and thunderfire cannons)?

4) Symbiote Rippers. What are the point of these? I'm guessing it was a 4th ed rule, but still...

5) Spine Banks. Can this be used in Close Combat?

Thanks in advance!

1. Lashwhips are not CCweapons, they deny models in base contact attacks. (Note: Scything Talons mention they are the only way for nids to can bonus attacks from multiple weapons.)
2. Yes, no save = unsaved.
3. Barrage allows this.
4. There is no point anymore, like Thornback (and perhaps Leaping ~~)
5. See note to 1.

kirsanth wrote:1. Lashwhips are not CCweapons, they deny models in base contact attacks. (Note: Scything Talons mention they are the only way for nids to can bonus attacks from multiple weapons.)
2. Yes, no save = unsaved.
3. Barrage allows this.
4. There is no point anymore, like Thornback (and perhaps Leaping ~~)
5. See note to 1.

Kirsanth is correct on al counts. Just remember that Spore Mines don't give a KP if they Detonate right away, but do if they scatter and a model is placed.

And to clarify the Implant attack, what happens is, say, Genestealers cause 4 Wounds against Guardsmen, only 4 Guardsmen die, because each of those 4 guardsmen takes a wound and then another wound. It doesn't cause 8 Guardsmen to die. In short, it is only useful against Multi Wound Models, like Nob Bikers (Just a tip, Implant 'stealers vs Nob Bikers = Dead Nob Bikers )

kirsanth wrote:1. Lashwhips are not CCweapons, they deny models in base contact attacks. (Note: Scything Talons mention they are the only way for nids to can bonus attacks from multiple weapons.)
2. Yes, no save = unsaved.
3. Barrage allows this.
4. There is no point anymore, like Thornback (and perhaps Leaping ~~)
5. See note to 1.

Ah, yes, thank you Makes my flyrant not as sexy as I thought... but who can argue with a free catalyst power Thanks!

Gwar! wrote: Just remember that Spore Mines don't give a KP if they Detonate right away, but do if they scatter and a model is placed.

FA choices should.

shrug

kirsanth wrote:

Gwar! wrote: Just remember that Spore Mines don't give a KP if they Detonate right away, but do if they scatter and a model is placed.

FA choices should.

shrug

The FA Choices do anyway, but even the Spore Mines fired from a Biovore give away Kill Points if they do not land on target

Gwar! wrote:

kirsanth wrote:

Gwar! wrote: Just remember that Spore Mines don't give a KP if they Detonate right away, but do if they scatter and a model is placed.

FA choices should.

shrug

The FA Choices do anyway, but even the Spore Mines fired from a Biovore give away Kill Points if they do not land on target

Thats pretty epic fail... suppose in friendly games if we get annhilation I'll swap my Biovores out from now on lol. Would make it basically unwinnable if I used em :/

Zid wrote:2) Implant Attack. Now the rule states any UNSAVED wound it takes 2 wounds. Does this mean a MC doing a wound counts as unsaved (even tho most models won't get a save)? If they fail a save against, say, a genestealer, does the UNIT take another wound, or does the model?

After a model takes an unsaved wound (so this is after armour/invulnerable saves), he takes 2 wounds instead. This biomorph has no effect whatsoever on single-wound models.

3) Biovores. Do these count as artillery so they can shoot without seeing the target (like basilisks and thunderfire cannons)?

Biovores can shoot a target they can't see, yes. This however, has nothing to do with them being artillery or not (Biovores are not artillery btw). The requirement for this is that the weapon is a Barrage weapon. So the Thunderfire cannon used in your example actually is an artillery piece, but it does require line of sight to the target, because it is not a barrage weapon.

Zid wrote:Makes my flyrant not as sexy as I thought... but who can argue with a free catalyst power Thanks!

General consensus is that just getting something like Scything Talons or Twin-linked Devourers is points better spend. Still, the sword looks kind of cool.

Zid wrote:Thats pretty epic fail... suppose in friendly games if we get annhilation I'll swap my Biovores out from now on lol. Would make it basically unwinnable if I used em :/

Unless you roll really well

Redemption wrote:
General consensus is that just getting something like Scything Talons or Twin-linked Devourers is points better spend. Still, the sword looks kind of cool.

Well I was focusing on pure CC prowess, and 1 less attack by everything near me seemed pretty rad when I started playing. Seeing as I play mostly SM's, their sargents only getting 1 power fist attack in CC with the rant seems like a darn good thing for me

Zid wrote:
1) Bone sword + Whip. Does this count as 2 CC weps? If so, does it grant +1 bonus attacks like everything else? The rules for it does not specify.

See Scything Talons.