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HQ
Daemon Prince -155-
+lash
+MoS
+Wings

Troops

5x Plague Marines -165-
+ Champion w/ Power weapon
+2x Meltagun

5x Plague Marines -160-
+ Champion w/ Power weapon
+Meltagun
+Flamer

(both in Rhino (+2x35))

Heavy Support

2x Obliterators
2x Obliterators
Defiler (no changes)

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Total=1000points

I've been playing with this army for a long time without any lose (true is i never played with good SM list. moslty i play with Tau, Eldars and IG) so i think it is good but i'm looking for some upgreades. i'm thinking about changing DP on Sorcerer with Lash (125 points) and use those 30p to upgreade flamer to melta and buy powerfists instended of PW. And 5p for melta bombs for Lord. What do you think?

Well...
3 hvy support, min troops, and lash prince or lash sor...I take it it's competitive and not a friendly gaming list/group.

Plague marines: never ever take power weapons.
If you go with special weapons take pairs.

Oblits/defilers coupled with lash is nice, can be brutal at 1000.

A daemon prince gives your army more Target Saturation, while a sor, can chill out in a rhino and be 'protected', but should he want to use lash int he ride, it makes the rhino move slower.

My 7 Cents.

I want to take Power Fists but i have points to do it. the same with the flamer. I chose it becouse after buy other units i realized i hvae 1025 army so i had to change somethink (PF to PW and 1 melta to flamer). So what i should change?

one demon prince in a lash list will get all the focused small arms fire.

is a vindi more survivable than a defiler?

personaly i dont like vindicator bocouse of its short range. 24" is 3 times less than 72" and Defiler has many other weapons and can fight i cc.
propably i will try this army without DP. its too expensive in 1k army, dont you think?

2 lash Princes or no lash princes, realy.

Make the Plague marine squads seven man and drop the defiler.

i agree...defilers don't perform nearly as well as one would hope. Ordinance weapons are hit or miss...mostly miss. Drop the defiler and beef up your troops.


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or just take another 2 Oblits with the points from the defiler. You will get a lot more out of the oblits than you ever will with your defiler.

Defilers are good, but like princes, they need to be run in multiples to be effective.

Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of so few troops. You have a lot of glass cannons in this list. Princes die very, very easily. I like oblits, but running 4 at this point totals just plain mean to most armys lol.

I'd say tack in more troops, and get a couple plasma guns in there. I don't agree with above, I run power weapons in my Plague Marines sometimes to lessen the points cost (giving me even more marines!). not everything needs a power fist

While power weapons are far too expensive for what you get on plague marines.

Why not just get a combi-weapon and melta bombs instead.
Prob. more lethal and a better use of points.

Like those have said about vindi's and DP (2 or none), for plague marines: go with a fist, or don't go with a special close combat weapon.

My 7 Cents.

I'd absolutely drop the defiler for a second Prince. 2 Princes are hard for a lot of armies to deal with at 1000pts.

You realy dont like Defiler as i see.Why? As long as i play i use Defiler and very rerly it disapoint me. Often i use lash to take enemy's unit and put it in open terrein in small gruop. when battle cannon would strike, it is very big chance to destroy unit. Its LARGE BLAST. it almoast always hit in target.
Abut second DP i can say that i think its too expensive as i know