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Hmmm.... is this going to be good? I was not even aware that this was being made.

Does anyone know anything about this flick? Some of the preview reminded me a bit of the Ghost Shell series. I actually am quite fond of the GS2 movie, it was very interesting with all of the new tricks they were working on. The amount of time spent rendering that must have been absolutely insane.

Titan AE was mentioned in another thread by MGS I think. That was a pretty cool movie, it reminded me of the Abyss for some reason. This movie reminds me a bit of Titan AE and the Abyss, but I have always kind of loathed the complete reliance on digital medium to create an entire movie. If anything I want to try and mix claymation and puppets (star wars, aliens, godzilla, etc...) with computer graphics, I think you could make some amazing stuff with that combination.

I'll certainly be seeing it in theaters, as it looks like really fantastic eye candy (here's hoping for an IMAX release).

Whether or not it will be a good movie hinges entirely on how much evil they inject into the war of Earthly aggression.

dogma wrote:I'll certainly be seeing it in theaters, as it looks like really fantastic eye candy (here's hoping for an IMAX release).

Whether or not it will be a good movie hinges entirely on how much evil they inject into the war of Earthly aggression.

Agreed, I am interested in the philosophical and ethical questions that will surely be raised in the movie as well.

The trailer looks awesome, as does the Idea.
I will be seeing it.

Everyone was hyping it up because it's James Cameron. Big freakin' whoop. It's only a good movie if it's a good movie. I did enjoy the trailer and I hope it will be decent. Reminded me of Spirits Within, which I was surprised that I liked.

James Cameron + Sigourney Weaver + sci fi movie = HELL YEA I'M WATCHING THIS!!!

Its hard to beat the above formula although I gotta admit the Avatar aliens look a bit fruity since they resemble distant cousins from WoW Night Elves. After a few minutes the audience should be accustomed to 'em though unless the director pulls a George Lucas and writes in a Jar Jar Binks character. Its going to be awesome to see how Cameron utilizes modern special effects for a scifi atmosphere; the trailer reminded me of Aliens since there were a lot of Marines and military featured - which also means there's going to be a lot of explosive eye candy.

This year has been incredible for scifi imo: Transformers 2, Star Trek, District 9, and now Avatar!

It looks cool.

I wish they hadn't given away the entire plot in that trailer.

Cane wrote:

This year has been incredible for scifi imo: Transformers 2, Star Trek, District 9, and now Avatar!

I sincerly hope you're kidding

The Unending wrote:

Cane wrote:

This year has been incredible for scifi imo: Transformers 2, Star Trek, District 9, and now Avatar!

I sincerly hope you're kidding

Transformers 2 isn't Sci-Fi - It's Action with Sci-Fiction elements and content.

The film was a complete let down IMO. Not enough character development of either the robots or humans and the ending was sooooooo rubbish. The ending needed to be more tense and a bit longer. It jsut seemed that the fight between Prime and the Fallen that was built up all film lasted less than 2 minutes. Where as the first film's ending was brilliant - the Prime/Megatron fight was well structured and just the correct length.

Star Trek IMO is film of the year for Sci-Fi (Film of the year full stop IMO). Everything about it was good, except I wanted more Enterprise space battles.

District 9 looks good and Avatar looks damned amazing - It might as well be the Halo Movie.

The Unending wrote:

Cane wrote:

This year has been incredible for scifi imo: Transformers 2, Star Trek, District 9, and now Avatar!

I sincerly hope you're kidding

Haha yea its definitely the lesser of the bunch but its a great popcorn flick in the same vein as the first one imo. There definitely wasn't more than meets the eye but it was definitely entertaining imo. Haven't seen the new Terminator flick but anytime that the scifi genre has as many blockbusters as seen in this year....its nothing but groovy to me!


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radiohazard wrote:

The Unending wrote:

Cane wrote:

This year has been incredible for scifi imo: Transformers 2, Star Trek, District 9, and now Avatar!

I sincerly hope you're kidding

Transformers 2 isn't Sci-Fi - It's Action with Sci-Fiction elements and content.

The film was a complete let down IMO. Not enough character development of either the robots or humans and the ending was sooooooo rubbish. The ending needed to be more tense and a bit longer. It jsut seemed that the fight between Prime and the Fallen that was built up all film lasted less than 2 minutes. Where as the first film's ending was brilliant - the Prime/Megatron fight was well structured and just the correct length.

Star Trek IMO is film of the year for Sci-Fi (Film of the year full stop IMO). Everything about it was good, except I wanted more Enterprise space battles.

District 9 looks good and Avatar looks damned amazing - It might as well be the Halo Movie.

I agree on your points but I'm in the camp of "Transformers was never about depth, character development, etc" since character development in this franchise largely constitutes of characters like Dinobot switching sides and the like. To me Transformers was about mindless robot action pitting good bots versus bad in a cool context so they can sell toys - and the infamous Michael Bay didn't disappoint here. Still was damn entertaining for me especially on the IMAX and imo T2 was sci-fi enough to fit in the genre but yea its definitely a hybrid and I see what you mean about it being action-focused.

TF2 was entertaining, but I was expecting a little more. Sure it's not about character depth, but a film should always drive it's characters forward in regards to growth.

There was very little growth and the only robots that grew were Megatron, Bumblebee and the Twins. The film could have just focused on them, Sam and Mikaela and we would have been none the wiser of their surroundings or other events.

But yeah - TF2 was enjoyable and very good for a bit of mindless popcorn eating action from my favourite director.

Hasn't this plot already been done last year in an all CG movie called "Battle for Terra" where an Earth ship came to a peaceful planet and tried to take over and the natives fought it and won?


One of the bigger things that bugged me about Star Trek was the fact that for planets able to put forth fleets of Star Ships, they had jack all for defenses against a ship coming into orbit to attack them, yet a single one man science vessel was able to shoot the drill and cripple it.

The fleets in Star Trek were in another sector and couldn't get to Vulcan or Earth in time. It's in the film.

Well, I will certainly try and see Avatar as it looks interesting. Not sure how good it will actually be though.

I am also not hugely happy about the entire story being given away in the advert, but I guess it is better than going in not knowing what the hell is going on.

As for TF2, it was one of the handful of films that I have either walked out of or almost done so. They look all of the worst parts from the first film and turned them into a 3 hour crap-fest. It is supposed to be about giant robots shooting each other, not some humans I don't care about being stupid and dogs humping everything.

I also don't like that the robots which were on screen longest were those bloody gangster morons. Even Prime was only in the film almost as an after thought, with everyone else being in there for about 15-30 seconds and then never seen again. With huge 30 min sections of crap and then a 5 minute story monologue.

The Star Trek movie made me sick

Halo vs ferngully.

radiohazard wrote:The fleets in Star Trek were in another sector and couldn't get to Vulcan or Earth in time. It's in the film.

It only took one lil' science vessel to blow up the drill. It bugged me that the writers seriously tried to make it seem the only thing the people on these planets could do is run around on the ground yelling, "omfg!, It's a lone space ship that's going to destroy our planet, and there's nothing we can do!"? No missles to fire at the very least?

I know it's make believe and all, but there should be some attempt at logic.

These guys day jobs must to to script wrestling matches!

Relapse wrote:

radiohazard wrote:
These guys day jobs must be to script wrestling matches!

Nothing wrong with scripting for one of the most watched TV shows in the world mate

It's very well paid.

And script writers have a hard time getting into the business - I know this from experience.

Relapse wrote:I know it's make believe and all, but there should be some attempt at logic.

It isn't as if the television series were full of airtight plots that were without plot holes. The Enterprise and its crew were the only ones to get the drop on Nero. Every other encounter Nero had the advantage of surprise through luck or because he set a trap. At Earth he expected no ships any time soon and had shut down the Earths defensive systems.

Relapse wrote:These guys day jobs must to to script wrestling matches!

No, their day jobs is to write screenplays for major motion pictures, and they get paid well to do so. If you think you can do better then feel free to do so, if not, please avoid the ad hominem attacks.

Ahtman wrote:

Relapse wrote:These guys day jobs must to to script wrestling matches!

No, their day jobs is to write screenplays for major motion pictures, and they get paid well to do so. If you think you can do better then feel free to do so, if not, please avoid the ad hominem attacks.

I second that - Thank you.

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Ahtman wrote:

Relapse wrote:I know it's make believe and all, but there should be some attempt at logic.

It isn't as if the television series were full of airtight plots that were without plot holes. The Enterprise and its crew were the only ones to get the drop on Nero. Every other encounter Nero had the advantage of surprise through luck or because he set a trap. At Earth he expected no ships any time soon and had shut down the Earths defensive systems.

Relapse wrote:These guys day jobs must to to script wrestling matches!

No, their day jobs is to write screenplays for major motion pictures, and they get paid well to do so. If you think you can do better then feel free to do so, if not, please avoid the ad hominem attacks.

Easy, Trigger, just voicing my opinion. No need to get heated up there.

Relapse wrote:

Relapse wrote:These guys day jobs must to to script wrestling matches!

No, their day jobs is to write screenplays for major motion pictures, and they get paid well to do so. If you think you can do better then feel free to do so, if not, please avoid the ad hominem attacks.

Easy, Trigger, just voicing my opinion. No need to get heated up there.

I still say its Pocahontas in space, and the Natives probably win.

Will probably watch it though...




...on DVD. (Although thats mainly as its nigh immpossible to get to the cinema these days, plus to top it off my wife can't watch blinkin 3D movies.)

Ahtman wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Relapse wrote:These guys day jobs must to to script wrestling matches!

No, their day jobs is to write screenplays for major motion pictures, and they get paid well to do so. If you think you can do better then feel free to do so, if not, please avoid the ad hominem attacks.

Easy, Trigger, just voicing my opinion. No need to get heated up there.

If you don't know the difference between an opinion and a personal attack maybe you have bigger things to worry about than criticizing other writers.

Relapse wrote:
True, they do get paid to write screen plays, but in my opinion, on this one the money wasn't all the way earned. It makes as much sense for the US to send the entirety of their armed forces to the middle east, leaving no one home to mind the store as for Earth and other planets to send everything they have to the far corner of where ever in this latest Star Trek show.

Shocking though it may be, the military doesn't always make the best decisions.

Star Fleet responded to a distress call from Vulcan. They had no reason to assume that Earth would also be a target, and had no knowledge of the enemy they could expect to face. Clearly it was powerful enough to endanger an entire planet; a fact which certainly warrants the use of potentially excessive force. And hey, they also had a defense grid.
Apparently one powerful enough for Nero to approach the problem by shutting it down, rather than blowing it up.

Now, was this the best possible course of action? Maybe, maybe not. An alternative would have been to dispatch a small expeditionary force in order to ascertain the nature of the threat. However, we're talking about Vulcan, one of the most important planets in the universe, and a critical ally. The normal rules of covering one's ass don't necessarily apply given the gravity of the situation.

Relapse: So you know, I read none of your response except for what Dogma responded to.


Dogma: Let us also not forget that Nero is not a military captain. He isn't trained to be a battle commander and probably overestimated his ability because of the technology difference. I mean, he was no Khan, after all.

It being 3D is the most exciting bit for me.

dogma wrote:

Relapse wrote:
True, they do get paid to write screen plays, but in my opinion, on this one the money wasn't all the way earned. It makes as much sense for the US to send the entirety of their armed forces to the middle east, leaving no one home to mind the store as for Earth and other planets to send everything they have to the far corner of where ever in this latest Star Trek show.

Shocking though it may be, the military doesn't always make the best decisions.

Star Fleet responded to a distress call from Vulcan. They had no reason to assume that Earth would also be a target, and had no knowledge of the enemy they could expect to face. Clearly it was powerful enough to endanger an entire planet; a fact which certainly warrants the use of potentially excessive force. And hey, they also had a defense grid.
Apparently one powerful enough for Nero to approach the problem by shutting it down, rather than blowing it up.

Now, was this the best possible course of action? Maybe, maybe not. An alternative would have been to dispatch a small expeditionary force in order to ascertain the nature of the threat. However, we're talking about Vulcan, one of the most important planets in the universe, and a critical ally. The normal rules of covering one's ass don't necessarily apply given the gravity of the situation.

Like a lot in life, this is one of those items where people are going to disagree and no amount of talking is going to convince one side of the correctness of the other's position. Is it important enough to get emotional about the way Ahtman appears to be? Definitly not.