Re-roll Follow-up: Do you re-roll dice rolled out of sequence?

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**DogOfWar**

Scenario is as follows:

1) Player 1 is attempting to use Psyker Battle Squad shooting attack
2) Player 1 forgets to roll for a psychic test
3) Player 1 measures range, places template and rolls for the AP of the attack (result of a 6)
4) Player 2 realizes Player 1 did not roll for a psychic test and reminds them
5) Player 1 apologises, rolls, and passes the psychic test
6) ...

How would you play the next step?

Option A - I would allow him to make his shooting attack and keep the original AP roll of 6.

Option B - I would allow him to make his shooting attack and require him to re-roll the AP of the attack since it was made out of sequence.

Option C - I would not allow him to make his shooting attack, he didn't make a psychic test at the proper time (just as if he wanted to move a unit in the shooting phase he forgot to move in the movement phase)

Option D - Something completely different!

Thank you for your participation and comments.

DoW

**anticitizen013**

I picked Option A just because I'm a nice guy

Everyone makes mistakes sometimes and a slip up here and there isn't a big deal.

Now if that keeps happening and the opponent wishes to reroll the AP dice if it's bad but not when it's good... then I'd get a little inquisitive as to why they keep doing it.

But on the whole, for most players they'd have just made a genuine mistake so really it doesn't matter to me.

**Drudge Dreadnought**

Option A. I want to win games because of strategy, not because of minor errors in the simulation of the battle.

**JD21290**

Option A

Alot of people (especially newer players) tend to forget small things like this, allthough, if it happens all game long i may change that

Option C if they piss me off or if its a large scale tournament.
If your going for a tournament then you better know the fething rules spot on

**Thor665**

I chose option D.

In a friendly play or tournament environment my answer would vary. For friendly I'd be nice and in a tournament with prizes/money on the line I'd be a bit more cutthroat.

**kartofelkopf**

I wonder how the poll would've gone with an AP value of 1 instead...

**Gwar!**

I am a dick, so I picked Option C.

However, I will give leeway to newer players, ONCE per game. Any more than that you are SOL.

**DogOfWar**

kartofelkopf wrote:I wonder how the poll would've gone with an AP value of 1 instead...

Funny you mention that. I actually went through the whole procedure again (rolled the psychic test, re-measured, and re-rolled the AP value (which was a 1). At that point, my opponent said "whoa, you rolled a 6 last time!"

I figured it wasn't worth the argument since I was the one who screwed up, but kicked myself since I ended up scattering perfectly on to his recently debarked command squad and their rhino. Saves shmaves!

DoW

**Thor665**

Gwar! wrote:I am a dick, so I picked Option C.

I may have to remember this as a sig option when I get tired of my self promoting ways.

**Horst**

Option A. Consistency is an important aspect in playing this game to me, so whenever you declare what your rolling for, I don't think you should ever re-roll it, no matter what the reason.

if a player declares they are shooting at my grey knights, and they say "two lascannons firing" and roll boxcars, and then I remember shrouding, i'll tell them they forgot to roll shrouding. This doesn't change the fact that both lascannons hit, it just means they need to make another roll to see if the cannons hit.

IMO, once you declare what your rolling, that roll always stands, otherwise all kinds of shenanigans can happen.

**RustyKnight**

Option A for me. The die has already been cast, so B is out. Option C...

**PanamaG**

Gwar! wrote:I am a dick, so I picked Option C.

However, I will give leeway to newer players, ONCE per game. Any more than that you are SOL.

So THATS why you are posting on Dakka 24/7!

I voted A, I win without my opponents mistakes

**Orkeosaurus**

I voted A. Makes for a faster game.

However, what's definitely not acceptable is having a player "accidentally" forget something and than only redo the roll if it's bad. For that reason, I think if it's a competitive game or a game against a stranger the player who made the mistake should go whatever the least advantageous option (hopefully they'll remember whatever they forgot next time too).

**zombie78**

I think to be fair have him use the 6 plus another dice for test then roll ap if he passes

**Eight Ball**

I voted B, make him redo it all (assuming it's not like 50 dice he needs to roll), however, I think some people would change their tunes if that roll that you allowed him to keep made it AP1 instead of 6...

**Arctik_Firangi**

I'd go with option A regardless of how favourable the results are. Dice are fairer than judgment, and both players would be perfectly aware of what was happening up to that point if both were paying attention (although evidently in this case neither player was paying attention).

A similar, but quite different case is if an Eldar player forgets to roll up his Fortune/Doom/Guide tests before beginning his movement phase. As soon as your opponent goes into his movement phase and starts measuring things out, he's out of luck in regards to those Psychic tests. Newer players get standard mercy in these situations, but in that case I'd usually be the first to say, 'are you sure you're not going to cast Doom on my 'Ard Boyz?'

**Red_Lives**

Option B because i'm a nice guy and noone wants their AP result to be 6 for the psyker battle squad.

**Kommandant56434**

Because i constantly forget to do things or do things wrong, i grant my opponent the complete re-roll in hopes that he gives me the same option in the future. This too, is why i constantly call out exactly what is going on (this squad fires x weapons, 4s to hit, 5s to wound, 2 wounds, make your save) so my opponent might catch if im doing something wrong or forgetting something.

**ph34r**

Option A. For good or ill keep the dice you rolled in situations such as that.

**ManwithIronHands**

Option A, whats it really matter if its rolled out of sequence, jsut as long as he gets that psichic test in there at some point before inflicting wounds.

**Wehrkind**

As long as it is a mandatory action like rolling the psykic test for the power, I let them roll out of sequence but keep the rolls they had previously made. (In short, A)

If it is not a mandatory action, like "whoops, I only moved my rhino 6" instead of 12! Can I move it in the shooting phase?" I generally don't let it slide if the resulting difference would have any bearing on the game. So if I haven't deployed anything, and my opponant decides he wants to move 12" with a rhino after he started blowing smoke, no biggie. If he forgot to move the rhino and realizes it in the assault phase, that's a bit much. We are generally easy going about it though.

**Gavin Thorne**

Depending on the player and how cutthroat he's been towards me, I could go with any of the above answers, but I'll lean towards A in most cases.

**Beamo**

I voted option D, because if the AP roll was a 6, I'd let him keep it. I he rolled a 1, I would have made him do it over.

In essence, I'm a douchebag cheater :p

**Sanctjud**

Friendly game: A.
Competitive game: A.

Tourney: C, but the first is a freebee, a warning to not forget next time.

My 7 Cents.

**need2thump**

I would make him roll for the psychic test, if passed, the players keeps the 6 as the AP. If psychic test fails then all is a mute point. On a side note, as for shooting that uses the blast marker, you have to mark your spot first prior to measuring. So if you mark your spot and it happens to be out of range then the shot is no good.

**deviant cadaver**

Option A every time as long as its a honest mistake. If I am dead sure it was not (sadly dose happen) not as forgiving.

**Dracos**

Option A. We also keep it for failures too. So if you forget to make a roll and fail the subsequent roll, we just point out what was missed and move on

**RetributionAngel**

Doesn´t it depen on what he rolled for?

If he rolled well ...he has to do it again
If he rolled bad ...not ^^

I think it depends how long its been, how many rolls and so on. It can´t always be yes or no.

**Armandloft**

I opted B. However, my answer, like many before me would change based upon circumstance. I'd stick to my answer in a friendly game, or against a new player. I'd be more likely to play it to my advantage in a tournament setting. (Keep the AP6/Reroll the AP1-3) If the issue kept popping up, then I'd just tell them that the power fails, having not rolled the check.

**Mechnomancer**

I chose A, but I would insist on consistency. If i let you do it, you let me do it in the same manner. And the manner in which it is done must be the same throughout the entire game.