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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/19 21:42:51
Subject: Glad to see our Licence Fee is being spent on quality journalists
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Two German ships have become the first Western commercial vessels to navigate the Northeast Passage - a shipping route which goes from Asia to Europe around the Russian Arctic. One of the captains told the BBC that their journey opened new, exciting possibilities for the whole international shipping community. Valeriy Durov, shipmaster of The Beluga Foresight, is your archetypal captain: a short man with a big moustache and a sense of great authority in his voice. "I was slightly surprised by what we saw," he told us as we stood on the bridge of his cargo lifter. "There was virtually no ice on most of the route. Twenty years ago, when I worked in the eastern part of the Arctic, I couldn't even imagine something like this. "I think it will soon be possible to navigate the Northeast Passage all year round. We were escorted by an ice-breaker but, frankly, we could have done without it. This is great news for our industry." Mr Durov's ship had just arrived in Arkhangel, a major sea port in north-western Russia. It was met by a cold, unpleasant drizzle and grey autumnal skies. It will signal the rebirth of this shipping route, and the renaissance of the whole of the Russian North The numerous potholes on the port's berths had turned into deep puddles. To get to the mooring wall, you had to jump over them, navigating around endless stacks of pipes, wood planks and containers rather like a character in an old-fashioned computer game. The scene was anything but glamorous. But it deserved so much more. The Beluga Foresight is one of those ships that make history. Experts in Russia say its journey from South Korea to the Russian North was a real breakthrough. In the past, no foreign ships were allowed to cross the Northeast Passage. But now Russia's security concerns have given way to the desire for a slice of the fat pie which is the international shipping business. "This is an event of huge strategic importance," said chief commercial officer of the Arkhangel Sea Port Viktor Vorobyov. "It will signal the rebirth of this shipping route, and the renaissance of the whole of the Russian North." Mr Vorobyov hopes that his port will soon become a major hub for trans-continental shipping. And, from the business point of view, this would make perfect sense. German freighters in the North East Passage in a photo released by Beluga Shipping The German freighters were accompanied by Russian icebreakers Going via the Russian Arctic cuts the distance from, say, South Korea to the Netherlands by up to 75%. This means the time in transit can be cut by as much as 10 days. And, as Captain Durov points out, "it is much safer up north: there are no pirates". The Beluga Foresight is, then, setting a very important precedent. Whether other ships will follow in its wake is still unclear: industry insiders point out that Russia's Arctic infrastructure is virtually non-existent, while the bureaucratic procedures are complicated, costly and time-consuming. But the opportunity is now there. And - as far as sailors are concerned - a fanfare for a triumph of shipping might be in order. For environmentalists, however, this journey is more of a call for alarm bells. "This is a very clear signal of how weak the Arctic ice has become," says Alexei Kokorin of WWF Russia. The Beluga Foresight The Northeast Passage route has alarmed some conservationists "The area of really heavy ice in the Arctic is now 10 times smaller than 10 or 20 years ago. Global warming is becoming more and more dominant - and it will affect all of us". Some experts predict that there will probably be no ice at all left in the Arctic within the next few decades. This might be good news for people like Captain Durov who will no longer have to keep a copy of Navigating Through Ice next to his seat on the bridge. But it might also spell disaster for low-lying areas around the world, from Dhaka to London.
Such a wonderful news story, and then they had to go and totally feth it up at the end. All the Ice in the Arctic Sea could melt tomorrow and the sea level will not rise one bit  I am getting sick of these idiots being paid with tax money. The very least they could get someone with 2 brain cells.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/19 21:49:24
Subject: Glad to see our Licence Fee is being spent on quality journalists
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[DCM]
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Eh? You sure?
I guess you might be right going on Archimedes and his Eureka moment (I think it was Archimedes). Thus the ice melting shouldn't have much of an effect. Again, I think.
Bit hazy on this one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/19 22:04:36
Subject: Glad to see our Licence Fee is being spent on quality journalists
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Take a Glass of Ice. Fill it to the utter brim with water. Let the ice melt. Nothing Happens. Yes, if ANTARCTICA Melts, we are all fethed, because that's ice on top of land. If the Arctic Ice melts, nothing happens because it is just an ice cube. Not to mention that having ice on both poles is utterly freaky. A planet with the amount of water we have should not have iced over poles. The only reason it does AT THE MOMENT is because of the continents in the way. For most of Earths history there were no ice caps.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/19 22:12:56
Subject: Glad to see our Licence Fee is being spent on quality journalists
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Actually Gwar, there have been ice caps for a lot of earth's history. (not all of it though, as you say) The thing is that earth's temperature cycles are really complex. There are cycles that range from 5,000 year cycles to multi-million year cycles.
At the moment, we're in a warm(ish) patch, and the data predicts that we're heading towards another small ice age. If anything, our 'global warming' is just going to be staving off the inevitable for a little bit longer.
Also, I don't know why people are getting so worked up about glaciers melting, especially considering that in some places as the glacier melts we see signs of human habitation that are revealed by the receding ice. Obviously it worked for us before.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/20 03:05:48
Subject: Glad to see our Licence Fee is being spent on quality journalists
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Gwar! wrote:
Yes, if ANTARCTICA Melts, we are all fethed, because that's ice on top of land. If the Arctic Ice melts, nothing happens because it is just an ice cube.
Um dude if the arctic is melting so is the antarctic. They're sort of both on the same planet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/20 03:10:58
Subject: Glad to see our Licence Fee is being spent on quality journalists
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Yeah, because God knows when it's hot, it's hot EVERYWHERE!
Global Warming, the new Y2K.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/20 03:25:02
Subject: Glad to see our Licence Fee is being spent on quality journalists
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I know right? Because progress is such an evil thing that Y2K is totally like it... The Manbearpig, while quite funny, was about as hyperbolic as South Park has gotten, and that is saying quite a bit. To be sure, Al Gore layed it on the cake quite thick, but nonetheless, there is still a real problem. Total end of the world as we know it within our lifetimes? No... not really, but yes within one or two generations, there will be serious problems. Not sure how this is that complicated really, but ice cube in a cup... it is not, nice try though. There is a factor of uncertainty, but to say this is the next Y2K is a pretty good joke though. Y2K was a man-made problem, in a man-made setting; the planet on the other hand, is not man-made by any means. Y2K was silly, but still a relative threat by some standards. Global Warming (which is a gross oversimplification really, but long names don't sell well) is a fact, and amongst the mass of other problems we are inflicting on our version of planet earth, it stands out quite clearly. I would say that the route they are taking is a very odd one, and at the very least an excuse to sell the Prius... speaking of which I actually saw one of those bastard drivers pulled over today... I was satisfied that the smug got quelled to a degree this day, indeed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/20 04:49:19
Subject: Glad to see our Licence Fee is being spent on quality journalists
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Perhaps a billion or 2 people dying would be good for the pllanet.
That it happens with a slow tricke of water at a rate of a couple of cm a year max makes it terrifying.
'Watch out! The water is almost half way up my little toe at the beach! And I have been standing here in the same spot for 3 months."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/20 04:53:19
Subject: Re:Glad to see our Licence Fee is being spent on quality journalists
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I got your back Waaagh_Gonads...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/20 16:24:00
Subject: Glad to see our Licence Fee is being spent on quality journalists
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Nurgleboy77 wrote:Yeah, because God knows when it's hot, it's hot EVERYWHERE!
That would be the 'global' part of 'global warming'
Global Warming, the new Y2K.
Um the reason our computers didn't crash in 2000 is because people spotted the problem, worked hard, spent a fortune and solved it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/20 16:35:49
Subject: Glad to see our Licence Fee is being spent on quality journalists
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:Um the reason our computers didn't crash in 2000 is because people spotted the problem, worked hard, spent a fortune and solved it.
Yeah, so lets spend a fortune and MOVE THE WHOLE PLANET!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/20 18:34:03
Subject: Glad to see our Licence Fee is being spent on quality journalists
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Orkestra wrote:Actually Gwar, there have been ice caps for a lot of earth's history. (not all of it though, as you say) The thing is that earth's temperature cycles are really complex. There are cycles that range from 5,000 year cycles to multi-million year cycles.
At the moment, we're in a warm(ish) patch, and the data predicts that we're heading towards another small ice age. If anything, our 'global warming' is just going to be staving off the inevitable for a little bit longer.
Also, I don't know why people are getting so worked up about glaciers melting, especially considering that in some places as the glacier melts we see signs of human habitation that are revealed by the receding ice. Obviously it worked for us before.
It's the rate of change that's unprecedented. Thing is, if temperatures increase 5 degrees in 10,000 years we'd make minor incremental changes we went, and probably wouldn't even notice that we'd adapted. But the same level of change over 100 years, that's going to cost a fortune to adjust for. We've built an incredibly complex infrastructure based on the current global climate patterns, moving or expanding irrigation, shifting roads, resettling millions, it will cost tens of trillions of dollars. And a bucketload of people will become vulnerable to diseases such as malaria.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/21 05:12:04
Subject: Glad to see our Licence Fee is being spent on quality journalists
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In An Inconvenient Truth, I spotted some very strange points that Al Gore made.
First, he said "We have been taking ice core samples". First issue:Most of earth's water is frozen. WE ARE STILL IN A FETHING ICE AGE.
He also had a chart saying that rainfall in south eastern Australia has gone up over the last decade. I think he means the decade in which we have been in a drought....
I may start listening to the hippees when they get their facts semi consistant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/21 05:58:45
Subject: Glad to see our Licence Fee is being spent on quality journalists
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/21 06:10:19
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Hey guys, the problem with the ocean levels rising due to ice melting is from all the ice that's frozen over land masses (ie: Antarctica) melting and flowing down into the oceans.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/21 06:33:22
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And what of the German university report last year that "Global Warming" has gone into a 10 year remission? Or the fact that global cooling as a hysterical theory collapsed. But low and behold 20 years later it is actually the reverse? Or that Al Gore has millions invested in cap and trade schemes? Come on all you conspiracy theorists, I know with at least this much evidence you can come up with something.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/21 07:11:44
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Swordbreaker wrote:Hey guys, the problem with the ocean levels rising due to ice melting is from all the ice that's frozen over land masses (ie: Antarctica) melting and flowing down into the oceans.
Yep. Water actually expands when it freezes, so if ice that's already in water melts it should cause sea levels to fall rather than rise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/09/21 08:56:32
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Jimi Nemesis wrote:I may start listening to the hippees when they get their facts semi consistant.
Okay, the current rate of increase in temperature is unprecedented in Earth's history. There have been hotter periods and colder periods, but at no time has the rate increased as quickly as it is right now, and the rate of increase in growing. This increase is unrelated to natural phenomena such as sunspots. I'll admit it isn't from the hippies, but is that consistant enough for you? Automatically Appended Next Post: JEB_Stuart wrote:And what of the German university report last year that "Global Warming" has gone into a 10 year remission? Or the fact that global cooling as a hysterical theory collapsed. But low and behold 20 years later it is actually the reverse? Or that Al Gore has millions invested in cap and trade schemes? Come on all you conspiracy theorists, I know with at least this much evidence you can come up with something.
The ten year cooling thing is a myth. 1998 is the one of the hottest years on record, el Nino and all that. From year to year you can expect variation in temperatures, and with unusual events such as el Nino you can get considerable outliers in global warming trends. So, if you want to create a new trend, all you do is pick the hottest year on record as your starting point the draw a line to this year and hey presto! you've got a period of cooling. That piece of information first came out in 2006, and was looking at an eight year trend, starting in 1998. Meanwhile, in records going back to 1850, 11 of the 13 hottest years on record occurred in the last 13 years.
Global cooling was a theory formed in the very early days of climatology, where early temperature records were about all the field had to go on. As the field matured the cooler temperatures from the 40s to the 70s were pretty directly attributed to sunspot activity. I'm not sure where 'hysteria' comes from, there was a cover page to one popular science magazine that espoused the theory, but that was about it.
Al Gore is just some guy. He's famous for having a crap run at the presidency and making a popular movie about his powerpoint presentation on climate change. It could be revealed tomorrow that he's scamming the cap and trade programs in order to fuel his lust from young Thai boys, and it wouldn't change the consensus on climate change.
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