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There is some debate as to whether or not the Imperial Armor rulebooks from FW requires your opponent's permission or not. Many tourneys do not allow them, but I've always considered them a part of the 40K ruleset. That being said, I would probably lean towards asking permission. Meh.

FW's new IA2 Update dated 28 August bumps up the cost of a GK dread to from 80 points to 120 points, but includes the multi-melta, smoke launchers, and searchlight in the cost. However, the cost of the twin-linked lascannons is +30 points and is bought as an upgrade to the multi-melta, making the new GK dread with t-l lascannons 20 points more expensive than in the DH 'dex. However, and this is the cool part, GK dreads can now take a drop pod!

So, my question to DH players: is the inclusion of the drop pod option enough to justify you using these rules in place of the DH 'dex given the 20 point bump in t-l lascannons?

The writers of Forge World books freely admit that anything you find in their book will be overpriced compared to the same unit in a codex, but they did this to counter the people that claim that Forgeworld models are cheese, and to reflect the fact that such things are rare for an army to have.

That being said, I feel that Forgeworld units (other than Flyers and Super heavies) fill in some very badly needed spots in certain armies. I have a friend that uses the Drop pods that Chaos Marines get and it allows him to keep up with another friend that is running the new SM codex.....

Being an Eldar player I am upset how little I have access to, but I love playing against Orks with Squigoths, or Tau with Gnarlaks........

Sisters need access to vehicles like the Repressor, and GK need drop pods and Valkeries for their Inquistors to keep a competetive edge.

Now that I have given you my $.02, I think 20 points (plus cost of drop pod) would be perfect if it gives my dred a clean shot at someones back armor with TL Lascannons......

It basically depends on where you play. Some places consider Forge World as valid as a Codex; others will laugh in your face if you suggest the merest possibility of using Forge World items. The only way to find the answer is to ask the people in your area what the local attitude is. From what I understand online, it seems to be that the further you are from the UK, the less likely people are to accept Forge World.

EDIT: For what it is worth, I have always viewed the Repressor as rather cheesy. The IA1 update last year reaffirmed this. People who use IA get a Repressor for the same cost I pay for a Rhino, but the thing was already cheese on tracks, and I do well enough without it.

As a GK player, I'd rather not use Forge World rules for my army lists, as they are overpriced and under powered compaired to what we get in out own codex. The only units I would use are the new GK Redeemars and Inquisitorial Land Raiders, and I'd only take those in a 'Ard Boyz list.

As a SoB player, I like enough of their newer units that the increased cost on my better units is acceptible, and would use Forge World rules if available. The Repressor makes up for the loss of our 5pt extra armour.

SJ

the_Armyman wrote:So, my question to DH players: is the inclusion of the drop pod option enough to justify you using these rules in place of the DH 'dex given the 20 point bump in t-l lascannons?

Of course not.

The reason that change was made is because Warwick couldn't remember what he had copypasta'd from the original file, so he just made up the cost quickly, not realising he had upped its cost by 20 points. He doesn't know he wrote that, so it's best to ignore him.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

the_Armyman wrote:So, my question to DH players: is the inclusion of the drop pod option enough to justify you using these rules in place of the DH 'dex given the 20 point bump in t-l lascannons?

Of course not.

The reason that change was made is because Warwick couldn't remember what he had copypasta'd from the original file, so he just made up the cost quickly, not realising he had upped its cost by 20 points. He doesn't know he wrote that, so it's best to ignore him.

Oh, I have no doubt that very little thought was put into this change. I'm just trying to make some lemonade out of the lemons, if you catch my drift. I'm thinking that the FW version of 120 points for a mutli-melta dread plus 30 points for a drop pod *might* be more effective that a DH codex version with a t-l lascannon for 130 points. I've stopped using my GK dread since it rarely if ever manages to score a kill before it gets waxed, but at least with a drop pod and multi-melta, I'm more likely to get a satisfactory result against a Land Raider or Leman Russ.

Drop pods are out of character for GK, IMO. For an army so good at teleportation(fluff wise, obviously), it doesn't make sense to use pods.

My thoughts would be to discuss it with your group. Explain to them that the Dread got more expensive for no apparent reason and if they'll let you use the Codex Cost with a standard Drop Pod.

Getting more expensive because you now have access to a new upgrade (Drop Pod) that you then have to pay for doesn't make any sense because if you don't take the new option, you're paying the extra for nothing.

Hopefully they'll see that.

If not, the IA books are big and heavy - beat them with one until they capitulate. IA3 is particularly good for this, being the heaviest of the lot, although dual-wielding IA4 and IA6 works just as well.

Fafnir wrote:Drop pods are out of character for GK, IMO. For an army so good at teleportation(fluff wise, obviously), it doesn't make sense to use pods.

And this would be perfect if, say, there was a rule that permitted teleportation of all GK units. But there isn't. Besides, I would imagine that there would be plenty of times where teleportation would be ill-advised. GKs also make use of Thunderhawk gunships as transports, so drop pods would not be out of bounds.

Most of my games are against decent folk, so getting permission won't be the issue. I was just curious as to whether or not the bone that DH players were thrown could be used to our advantage for a change.

Plus, you can always justify the Deep Strike as the Dread being encapsulated in a psyker-resistant shell for teleporting through the Warp.

Voila! Drop Pod rules, for the Dread still teleporting into combat!

Kanluwen wrote:Plus, you can always justify the Deep Strike as the Dread being encapsulated in a psyker-resistant shell for teleporting through the Warp.

Voila! Drop Pod rules, for the Dread still teleporting into combat!

Isn't a Dreadnought already a psyker-resistant shell?

SJ

Shhhh, don't you use your logic here!