[1500]Space wolves count as World Eaters!

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**Lord-Loss**

Im proud to present the first count as CSM space wolves army on Dakka!

Ragnar Blackmane: [240] (Khorne Lord)

5x Grey Knight terminators: [505]( Khorne Terminators)
Landraider Crusader, Multi-melta, Extra armour

10x Grey Hunters: [190](Zerkers)
2x meltagun, Rhino

10x Grey Hunters: [190](Zerkers)
2x meltagun, Rhino

10x Grey Hunters: [190](Zerkers)
2x meltagun, Rhino

6x Long Fangs: [140](Khorne Havocs)
5x ML

There are some points left.

**Sanctjud**

I'm not sure about Zerkers as Grey Hunters...
Bolters...meltas...

Zerker Havocs with ML's.....

I think that's too much of a stretch. I approve count-as, so why no love for Blood Claws...they seem to fit the more combatty background of zerkers... so you take a hit in WS, but you still to lots of attacks on the charge.

You could take lone wolves with combatty weapons and stuff like that, even Thunderwolves, Zerkers on Juggies.

Grey Knight terminators? When you could have wolf guard? WTF?

I think there are lots of more characterful options, options that make sense, options that are in the SW codex itself.

IMO, as it looks now, it looks more like an excuse to use a more cost efficient rules set, rather than something flavorful. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh or rude, but that's how it looks to me.

**Lord-Loss**

Well Grey knight termies are like how zerker termies should be.

I was thinking of adding a squad of Blood claws in a rhino instead of another Grey hunter, but im not sure.

Here my models:

24x Khorne Berzerkers.
20x CSM's.
3x Rhino.
2x Landraider.
5x Terminators.

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Just read the new SW codex (Thank you 4chan) and blood claws seems like a realy fun option.

If I repleace the last grey hunter squad with a blood claws squad and use zerkers as blood claws and CSMs as Grey hunters.

Updated list:
Ragnar Blackmane: [240] (Khorne Lord)

5x Grey Knight terminators: [505]( Khorne Terminators)
Landraider Crusader, Multi-melta, Extra armour

10x Blood Claws: [210](Zerkers)
PF, Rhino

10x Grey Hunters: [190](CSM)
2x meltagun, Rhino

10x Grey Hunters: [190](CSM)
2x meltagun, Rhino

6x Long Fangs: [140](Khorne Havocs)
5x ML

**Saldiven**

Super fluffiness may not be what you're looking for, so you can take this with a grain of salt....

I don't see something as long range and shooty as missile launcher havocs in a World Eater army. While it's undeniably effective, I dunno how true to WE it is.

**Lord-Loss**

Its the same as having Obliterators in a WE army.

I need fire support, what else is gonna pop transports so my Grey knights termies can charge something.

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Ok this list (Below) has a rune priest in it, il say he's been blessed by khorne with powers of devasting power.

Ragnar Blackmane: [240] (Khorne Lord)

Rune Priest: [125]
Jump pack (Wings), Jaws of the world wolf, living lightning

5x Wolf Guard Terminators: [425] (Khorne Terminators)
Landraider Crusader, Multi-melta

8x Blood Claws: [180]
PF, Rhino

10x Grey Hunters: [190] (CSM)
2x meltagun, Rhino

10x Grey Hunters: [190] (CSM)
2x meltagun, Rhino

6x Long Fangs: [140] (Khorne Havocs)
5x ML

The rune priest runs around beating up MC and when hes not in LOS, il use Lightning.

**jmurph**

Well, IMHO Chaos counts as Space Wolves seems like lame bandwagon powergaming, especially since Khorne Chaos backed by Oblits actually works. Not to mention the Khorne psyker is LOL bad fluff. The list, though, looks solid enough. Where's the Mark of the Wulfen on the GH squads, though?

**Sanctjud**

Well... even Khorne + Oblits is not exactly fluff in terms of old fluff.
There is a problem when we discuss old fluff, and that is the extent and definition, which is different with each person.
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I can see the space wolf dex being a very characterful Chaos count as. If one does not see the painfully obvious parallels, you haven't had the 3.5 Dex in your blood.

I just think there's is a line between characterful and what you are describing jmurph.
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At the new list:
Again the same issues with the units you still have in the list.

Blood claws are ok, 9 seems the wrong number for them...hello lucky number 8 for khorne?

Rune Priest: Wut? World Eaters...+ pychers doesn't mix well. Even the powers would be stretch to explain.

**Lord-Loss**

Jmurph the CSM codex 4.0 is a piece of gak, ive been trying for about a year to find a solid semi-competitive chaos list thats not guys in rhinos + DPs + Oblits.

I thought LR would work...and they dont.

I PMed someone about my chaos list and they suggested SW as SW are how choas should have been written.

Should I take a WL and stick him with the Blood claws?

I change the squad down to 8 too.

**Shaman**

TWC as juggers you know you want too.

**Lord-Loss**

Shaman wrote:TWC as juggers you know you want too.

There models are cool but there not that good IMO. If they were 30-35pts, they would would be worth it. But at 50pts, I dont think so.

Heres new list, wolf lord goes with the Bloodclaws.

Ragnar Blackmane: [240] (Khorne Lord)

Wolf Lord: [155]
Wolftooth necklace, Frost blade, runic armour

5x Wolf Guard Terminators: [425] (Khorne Terminators)
Landraider Crusader, Multi-melta

8x Blood Claws: [180]
PF, Rhino

10x Grey Hunters: [190] (CSM)
2x meltagun, Rhino

10x Grey Hunters: [190] (CSM)
2x meltagun, Rhino

6x Long Fangs: [125] (Khorne Havocs)
2x ML, 3x Heavy bolters

**Sanctjud**

I don't know, 80 points for str 10 cavalry is pretty sexy IMO.

My 7 Cents.

**grimz**

IMO needs more Lord Zhufor "count-as" Logan Grimnar

**whitedragon**

Shaman wrote:TWC as juggers you know you want too.

Shhhhhhh!

I already have this idea in work...

**Sanctjud**

I already have the 6 juggies, just need to fill in those amazing gaps on their left sides...../sigh.

Codex Chaos Wolves is a go!

**Lord-Loss**

As my Blackmane model Im using a realy cool possessed.

Its the mosty chaosy thing in my army and looks awesome!

The Wolf Lord is a less cool looking possessed.

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Off topic discussion= Good list.

All this talk of juggy wolves must mean that you love my list?

**jmurph**

Fair enough on the current C:CSM being utter garbage. Your revised list looks good and much more fitting Khorne. I wonder if Logan wouldn't be more effective for what you want though- piling dudes in a LR. Either way, I guess.

The MLs are better than the HBs for the longfangs. MLs can do anti horde or pop transports. Just give the leader a HB.

Getting some wolf tail talismans would also match Khorne...

For super fluff bonus, drop the GH size down to seven and stick a fighty WG in there. :-) Otherwise I think the mark of the Wulfen would go a long way to help these squads w/CC punch.

FWIW, I wasn't trying to be too harsh- I never turn down a against against a fun opponent!

**grimz**

Sorry whats Mark of the Wulfen do?

**Sanctjud**

It's like Daemonic Claws of old.
Except it has spawn like attacks.

**jmurph**

More specifically it replaces the models A stat with 1d6+1 and gains Rending but cannot benefit from any CC weapons (including the +1 attack for two). So a GH which normally gets 1+1 will get more 5/6 of the time and never less and gains rending. Not a bad deal at all!

**Lord-Loss**

Ragnar Blackmane: [240] (Khorne Lord) *

5x Wolf Guard Terminators: [425] (Khorne Terminators)*
Landraider Crusader, Multi-melta

8x Blood Claws: [190]*
PF, Rhino

10x Grey Hunters: [190] (CSM)*
2x meltagun, Rhino

10x Grey Hunters: [190] (CSM)*
2x meltagun, Rhino

6x Long Fangs: [130] (Khorne Havocs)*
3x ML, 2x Heavy bolters

6x Long Fangs: [140] (Khorne Havocs)
5x ML

Total: 1505pts

Two Long fang in this list.

**Deuce11**

There are much better more khornate choices you could take. i think that is the general beef of those who disagree with your lists.

Fenrisian wolves= flesh hounds
Wolf Riders= juggies
MotW+blood claws etc= zerkers

This codex was created as SW/WE Legions haha

**grimz**

Any Logan based lists floating around?

**Sanctjud**

Prob...

Pure Wolfwing lists.
Logan + Long Fangs relentless + otherstuff lists.
Wolfwing + GH spam lists.

That's the kind of stuff I've seen so far.

**grimz**

Wolfwing + GH spam lists how competitive do you think they are?

**Trench-Raider**

don't see something as long range and shooty as missile launcher havocs in a World Eater army.

Not true.
Not all World Eaters are mindless berkerkers. The orginal WE army list had devistator squads and other "Shooty" elements in it.

TR

**Lord-Loss**

This next list is not as fluffy but 10x more effective. Ive found that one long fang squads dont work, so Im adding two more and taking out the LR and termies, Adding some dreads and taking out Blackmane.

**EzeKK**

Funny about you taking out Ragnar, while effective, he is better served at 2k With Canis.

I actually don't think you get the potential of Thunderwolf. 3 of them w/ 1 TH (1 MB one too if you want wound allocation) and that's 180 points and they got T5 Cavalry Moves, Rending (TH+Rending = omgesh) and something like 6 attacks per model? Lol what? They move at least 7" out in the open and assault 12" so 19" assault range up to 24".

/omg

I might go with Bjorn or Canis as a SC leader. Canis is nice for a Juggernaught theme. Bjorn is just a sweet leader really lol...

Lone Wolves wouldn't be that bad considering Kharne like figures.

I would suggest Bloodclaws in Rhinos as your troops. It's the fluffiest way. Some GH w/ MotW for backup is fine too. Pure GH is fine to but they wouldn't be "berzerkers". GH are actually kinda meh in CC...

I might also go with Landspeeders w/ MM/HF instead of those Longfangs just to get more melta capacity in there.

**Lord-Loss**

If I go with all bloodclaws, then I got barely any melta anti-tank. I would rather not take speeders as people will claim that Im playing with the SW dex for the power not cause of the khorniness.

I have three rhinos and enought berzerkers for 24 Bloodclaws, If I drop the dreads I can take 2x/3x Thunderwolfs with no upgrades.

**Lord-Loss**

Canis WolfBorn: [185]

4x Thunderwolf Cavalry: [280]
1)Thunder Hammer
2)Storm Shield
3)Meltabombs
4)Meltabombs

10x Blood Claws: [210]*
Power Fist, Rhino

10x Grey Hunters: [205]*
2x meltagun, Rhino , MotW

10x Grey Hunters: [205]*
2x meltagun, Rhino, MotW

6x Long Fangs: [130]*
3x ML, 2x Heavy bolter

6x Long Fangs: [130]
3x ML, 2x Heavy bolter

6x Long Fangs: [130]
3x ML, 2x Heavy bolter

The Thunderwolf squad has eight wounds, eleven if you include Canis.

**SW40KMP**

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