Monolith rules

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**Destroyer**

So I only recently started playing with a monolith (mainly went destroyer spam before

)

So here's some quick questions:

Can it fire both whip and gauss flux if it doesn't move?
If it deepstrikes, can it fire either weapon?
Does a dreadnought with combat arm use 10 str or 6 str against monolith in CC?
When do I have to use mishap table when deepstriking monolith?

Thanks in advance.

**Budda 09**

1) The monolith can use both and still move
2) Its power matrix does not count as a weapon therefore (I think) it may fire it's particle whip
3) a dreadnought will still use strength 10
4) not completly sure about this one, I'm guessing when it lands on difficult or impassable terrain.

I hope this helped, and i hope i am right, although i am 90% certain

**chromedog**

AFAIK, Yes, it can. The only thing that stops the whip is if it is portal teleporting troops (as it can do one or the other)

Dreadnought against monolith uses S10 (as this is the S of the weapon.).
Dreads without DCCW are S6.

Deepstrike mishaps occur if you scatter into impassable terrain OR off the table (iirc). Enemy models within 1" are pushed out of the way by it. Dangerous terrain as normal into "difficult ground/area terrain".

**Belphegor**

Budda 09: 1) The monolith can use both and still move

Have I been playing this the wrong way since the inception of 5th?
I believe that the monolith may not fire both, as the Particle Whip is an Ordnance Weapon.
Thus prevents the Flux Arc from firing.

**don_mondo**

No, Belphegor, you have not. The previous posters are mistaken. It can teleport and still fire the arcs, but it may not fire both weapons. It's even covered in the FAQ...........

on the second question, it's debatable. Deep Striking vehicles "count as" moving at Cruising speed, which would mean no shooting. But the Monolith Ponderous rule says it can't move faster than 6". IMO, the Counts As takes precedence and it cannot fire at all. The INAT FAQ disagrees with me (and is the way it's usually played) says that it counts as Cruising but may fire the Particle Whip.
As already stated, ST 10, the unaugmented strength of the weapon.
Yep, off the table or impassable terrain, only times a Monolith has to Mishap.

**Lordhat**

The Monolith may not fire both the P. Whip and the Flux Arc in the same turn, as the P. Whip is ordnance. Nowhere is it stated that the the Particle Whip does not count as a weapon. It is only stated that the Power Matrix cannot be disabled by a weapon destroyed result.

The Monolith may not fire the Flux Arc in the same turn as it has deepstruck, but it can fire the Particle Whip, as the rules for the Power Matrix state that it may be used even if the Monolith moves, etc.

Dreadnboughts with DCCW are Str 10 Vs. a Monolith.

A Monolith triggers a roll on the Mishap table in exactly the same manner as any other unit that Deepstrikes; It's own rules only allow it to ignore the 'Destroyed' result of the table. All other results still apply as normal.

**Gwar!**

I am going to confirm that Lordhat and don_mondo are correct.

**Norbu the Destroyer**

Lordhat and don mondo have one point they disagree on. It usually starts a bit of a fight but one says only roll on the mishap table when it encounters terrain and off the board while deepstriking, the other believes you roll mishap if it wanders on to troops. Then you can only ignore the 1 or 2 result. I think in general, where I play, we play it only rolls mishap if it hits impassable terrain or scatters off board, enemy models it lands on are moved aside thus nullifying the mishap roll. I agree with all the rest of their points though.

**HolyCause**

uh, the monolith is a skimmer. if it deep strikes on impassible it just floats above the terrain...

and honestly, something that massive would just crush whatever it lands on

the only thing that would cause it to mishap is deep striking off the board

**Lordhat**

HolyCause wrote:uh, the monolith is a skimmer. if it deep strikes on impassible it just floats above the terrain...

and honestly, something that massive would just crush whatever it lands on

the only thing that would cause it to mishap is deep striking off the board

The Monolith can only end it's move over impassable terrain if it can be physically placed there. Whether this gives skimmers an exemption to the mishap chart due to impassable terrain is debateable, but the wording for skimmers and DS seem to allow for it. However, The Mishap chart is not excluded by any of the 'Lith's Special rules. There was a nice long thread about it a few weeks ago. Check there for my arguments on the subject. Here's the link: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/250482.page

**HolyCause**

An interesting read to be certain.

I would raise some points in that thread but do not have access to a third edition rulebook for myself.

at any rate, my group plays it that the Monolith simply goes where it lands regardless of terrain or troops. it's simply too massive to care

**RustyNecron**

the way we play it at my shop is, if it lands on troops the troops move, it says that in the codex, and it deep strikes like a drop pod, if it would land in difficult terrain it is placed as close to the terrain as possible but not on it( or in)

**Avarice711**

ok a monolith if it lands on impassable, troops or off the baord it has to roll on the mishap chart per the rules, any skimmer that lands on impassable terrain does mishap, it never changes the terrain type skimmers just get an except to impassable by being able to land on it but it is still counted as impoosible and per the rules if it scatters on impassable it rolls, otherwise i agree with lord

**Zid**

Avarice711 wrote:ok a monolith if it lands on impassable, troops or off the baord it has to roll on the mishap chart per the rules, any skimmer that lands on impassable terrain does mishap, it never changes the terrain type skimmers just get an except to impassable by being able to land on it but it is still counted as impoosible and per the rules if it scatters on impassable it rolls, otherwise i agree with lord

actually the dex does say if it DS on top of troops the troops move (because honestly, the monoliths so massive wahtever its about to land on will not just stand there...)

**MasterSlowPoke**

The codex says that the Monolith can avoid destruction if it arrives within 1" of enemy models. As you can only be destroyed when rolling on the mishap table, you'll still have to make your roll and have a chance of being delayed or misplaced.

This is different to how the Monolith played in earlier editions and it's usually played that no rolls are needed.