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Is the voting system in the gallery just an average?

I'm wondering what someone would have to have voted for a score of 8.5/9.5 with 2 votes to drop to 6.67/7.67 from a third vote.

Kaaihn wrote:Is the voting system in the gallery just an average?

I'm wondering what someone would have to have voted for a score of 8.5/9.5 with 2 votes to drop to 6.67/7.67 from a third vote.

I believe its averages. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the vote part if its less then 10 votes. Most people just fly by and zero bomb. If ya avg about 6 after 10 votes ya got a good estimate. I am happy with 6-7 I am no golden demon contender.

I would suggest that people that vote in the 3-10 vote range, cast their vote to affect said 'average' so that the final score matches what they think it should be. Or, as stated, zero bomb.

I state this as I have been tempted to do so and it certainly explains some of the strange voting in and around the 3-10 vote range since beyond that a voter affects the outcome less and less.

That explains quite a bit. Makes the entire voting system pretty worthless if that is true, in my opinion.

Well, I was only speculating and it would still balance out in the long run, assuming you get a lot of votes. The more votes you get, the less affecting one vote becomes.

I just gave you a deserved boost

the system originally used a formula that averaged based on the core of the votes, so the top and bottom ( 10's and 0's ) on a picture that has a lot of 5's 6's and 7's were dropped and the average taken from those instead. Unfortunately that takes a lot of votes before you see the averages start to work themselves out, and required that each photo have at least 4 or 5 votes before a score was shown.

I believe it's lego's intent to re-implement this system in the future should voting catch up.

Slappywag wrote:I just gave you a deserved boost

Thanks Slappywag!

I'm no master painter, but I was honestly surprised to see someone giving what I assume to be 1s or 0s to this. That's what made me start to wonder what the heck was going on.

Yeah I gave you some votes (honest to what I thought) as well.

I'm with you, it can be frustrating. I had a few things get dragged way down in a couple of votes. I was bummed and although I could understand someone thinking something doesn't 'suit' them or think it was 'all that' as it were but to drag it below average when it is, a.)fully painted b.)uses more than three colors and c.) is not simply dry-brushed for depth is pretty dis-heartening. (Three factors that usually put most things into the 3-4 range at least for me)

Yeah, I could be just whining along with you (although I believe yours are certainly above the average) it makes one wonder how and why some people vote the way they do.

It's the internet. Anonymity I hate thee. Flaming would go down if you had your real name / location tied to each post. Would kill for that on xbox live for all those racist ten year olds.

Yeah laugh now ya little bastards but the day you get a job your boss is gonna find out how much you like *insert any creed / race/ etc bashed *. Not too far off though since most employers look at face book etc before hiring someone.

Kaaihn you are a very good painter I voted it up for you as well. More then well deserved. Honestly probably gonna borrow the scheme for my Eldar Phoenix's.

It sure can be. I always love how one picture will be one rate, then the almost exact picture, will be a + or - or 2 or more. That one never made sence to me lol
Also I think if you "piss some one off" they will jerk ya and do the 0s on you.

The gallery has its ups and downs. Everyone will have different standards on how well painted a model is. In my case I use 7 as an average and anything thats better than my paintjobs (most are) gets above that score. Ultimately though it can be very disheartening to come back to my gallery and see my models, which I have spent a great deal of time upon get average votes of perhaps 5 or below.

I just gave you 10/10

I've been 0-1 bombed a few times myself. You ask me, the Average system is fine, but I think the Gallery should require a comment with every vote so that an anonymous user with an immature mind or a gripe of Nerdrage can't just go around downvoting other images because he or she is mad at someone without that user seeing them, and then reporting their behavior to the mods.

I've been hit with the 0/1 as well even though the same model from a different angle gets a 7-8. I have no idea why people do that.

OTOH, I've seen models with no paint get a 0 or higher as well. I'm not sure if people don't realize what a N/A means.

metallifan wrote:I've been 0-1 bombed a few times myself. You ask me, the Average system is fine, but I think the Gallery should require a comment with every vote so that an anonymous user with an immature mind or a gripe of Nerdrage can't just go around downvoting other images because he or she is mad at someone without that user seeing them, and then reporting their behavior to the mods.

This is a good idea, but not everyone has something to say. Instead, I would love if it displayed a vote history. Just name and vote. It could be a link just above the comments section so the default pages aren't cluttered with a long list.

Thanks for the compliments those that made them, much appreciated

I've got no gripe with someone that honestly believes something deserves a low score, it just seemed so completely ridiculous for fully painted highly custom freehand detailed anything to get such low scores. Something just seemed wrong with that.

I have to agree, sucks that some folks go around 1 bombing your hard work, I wouldn't worry about it too much though, I checked out your gallery images and voted on them as well, your work is pretty impressive,imho. I find the gallery a bit hard to use, and I am perplexed by some of my scores as well. I have several different pics of the same model and some are scored quite a bit lower than others. I think I have one image that is scored a 3 or 4, while I have another image of the same models that is scored a 9 or 10.

To answer the couple comments that were asked in various pics about the flames: I freehand paint the flames on all the models. Once all the paint is done, I spray the whole model with matte varnish (testors dullcote).

From there I hand paint just the flames with gloss varnish ('ardcoat). The trick is, I use partially dehydrated 'ardcoat. This allows me to pool up the 'ardcoat. It's hard to catch the effect in photos, but it is extremely obvious in person. Seen in person, people usually assume it is a ton of green stuff work since every flame is obviously physically raised off the model.

The effect can be seen in this photo fairly well, if you look at the side of the upper leg not hidden by the gun. You can see the flame raised off the side. All the flames are like that. The finished result is that instead of looking like a blob of clear over paint, it looks like it is painted shiny solid. The best part is that it also catches and reflects light far better than just a thin standard coat of 'ardcoat, so the flames appear to shimmer as you move around the model.

Kaaihn wrote:

Slappywag wrote:I just gave you a deserved boost

Thanks Slappywag!

I'm no master painter, but I was honestly surprised to see someone giving what I assume to be 1s or 0s to this. That's what made me start to wonder what the heck was going on.

Those are cool, voting now
Also some people probably vote for their own stuff to make it seem more cool.

I would be for the voting history button so you can see the votes you have had... even if there was a mod only function to see who has voted, to stop people revenge voting etc (unless people wanted their votes to be public, in which case there could be an option for their name to be displayed with their votes).

Anyway, I usually take 5 as an average (after all, that is the mid point of the /10 voting system), usually voting up to about 7 for good models, and 8-9 for excellent models and 10 for amazing ones.

On the other end, I use 3-4 for "meh" and 1-2 for "oh dear god" and 0 for "Argh, my eyes!".

Though to be honest, I often skip pictures I would give a low vote to, for fear of hurting someones feelings.

I too am confused by people voting with a number score on unpainted/etc models where there is an n/a option.

Edit: And your models look pretty great to me, so I don't know why someone would vote low scores on them other than to be stupid.

I never vote below a 7, if I don't like something I don't vote on it.

Your work is 8-9 for me, it's little things like the skulls on the backpacks and the fact the group shots are so complimentary.

Anyone who gives a gak score to someone's art because they don't like the poster is a 1st rate gakker.

I don't get on with several posters but would be quite happy to acknowledge their skill and ability.

I think Silver has a good system that a lot of people should consider using.

I honestly feel that a lot of my photos are OVERrated in many instances! Many of the same photos are at least a full score if not more lower than their Dakka score over on CMoN.

I would really like the Dakka Gallery to be a good gauge of my ability, but until we start voting en mass it's going to be a while.

grey_death wrote:I think Silver has a good system that a lot of people should consider using.

I honestly feel that a lot of my photos are OVERrated in many instances! Many of the same photos are at least a full score if not more lower than their Dakka score over on CMoN.

I would really like the Dakka Gallery to be a good gauge of my ability, but until we start voting en mass it's going to be a while.

I use the same system that Silver does. I'm all for automatic name reporting with a vote history being added though.

Internet + anonymity = asshattery.

I agree the name and vote idea is good, should be suggested on the nuts and bolts forum to see if it's possible

Kaaihn wrote:

grey_death wrote:I think Silver has a good system that a lot of people should consider using.

I honestly feel that a lot of my photos are OVERrated in many instances! Many of the same photos are at least a full score if not more lower than their Dakka score over on CMoN.

I would really like the Dakka Gallery to be a good gauge of my ability, but until we start voting en mass it's going to be a while.

I use the same system that Silver does. I'm all for automatic name reporting with a vote history being added though.

Internet + anonymity = asshattery.

+1

I'm not a GD painter, but looking at your gallery and seeing nothing but 2's and 3's on a model you spent a lot of time on (and is better then that) is pretty annoying. Simply removing anonimity would solve a lot I think. Not in the least that the mods can give them a good slapping .

SilverMK2 wrote:I would be for the voting history button so you can see the votes you have had... even if there was a mod only function to see who has voted, to stop people revenge voting etc (unless people wanted their votes to be public, in which case there could be an option for their name to be displayed with their votes).

Anyway, I usually take 5 as an average (after all, that is the mid point of the /10 voting system), usually voting up to about 7 for good models, and 8-9 for excellent models and 10 for amazing ones.

On the other end, I use 3-4 for "meh" and 1-2 for "oh dear god" and 0 for "Argh, my eyes!".

Though to be honest, I often skip pictures I would give a low vote to, for fear of hurting someones feelings.

I too am confused by people voting with a number score on unpainted/etc models where there is an n/a option.

Edit: And your models look pretty great to me, so I don't know why someone would vote low scores on them other than to be stupid.

If I may offer an alternative to this (which is similar and my own system) on essentially a 10 point system:

First things first; I feel it is important to vote on every model I take the time to look at, regardless of whether I would vote low on it or not. Why? How can I want/expect someone to vote honestly on my models if I cannot vote honestly on theirs.

Paintjob:

N/A - Obviously it is not painted or only primered
1 - Model is painted with fewer than three colors and looks more akin to crayons (i.e. looks like gak) with no regard for details.
2 - Model is painted with no regard for details. Most likely super-speed painted just for table top play.
3 - As above but major details (face, boots, etc.) are picked out. Looks like gak due to sloppy lines/poor control.
4 - This is a model which shows some control with mostly clean lines and details but no shading or depth.
5 - As above but the areas painted show good control with clean lines or as above with some shading and depth.
6 - Good control, shading but still seems simple, due to lack of skill, colors/shades being somewhat off (i.e. looks like an action figure).
7 - Good clean model, nice appealing style with decent shading. However, nothing really special. Hopefully my 'rank and file' boyz.
8 - Good, appealing model, stands out because of unique style, good detail and control. Hopefully my 'mob nobz' aka Sergeants.
9 - This is a fantastic model showing great control, attention to detail and superior shading. Hopefully, my Warboss.
10- Let's be honest, this is perfection. This model looks like it is real! It encompasses #9 but it also has that certain little something that pushes it into the ethereal. This model looks so good I suspect sacrifice was involved.

Coolness: (of course this one is pretty subjective and really depends on the sculpture combined with the paintjob)

1-4 - I would only vote this low if it was somehow distasteful or offensive, which is pretty hard to do for me.
5 - This is for the average GW (or other) model with nothing special in terms of conversion or paintjob.
6-8 - I like it and/or it shows some nice conversion work.
9-10 - I love it, I want it, I weep at my own stuff not being as cool!

Anyway, I welcome any variations and suggestions. Maybe we can all develop a system!

It's not a bad idea at all GoFenris, for the vote page to have a couple notes next to the numbers to give some guidance.

Honestly though, I have a feeling the 0 and 1 bombing isn't because people think it deserves the score and a displayed guide would change their vote. I'm pretty sure it's for personal reasons. Stupid revenge for unrelated posting, or to make their own pics stay up longer, whatever.