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 kodos wrote:

Change the system to alternating phases, it would be still IGoUGo without the time problem....

IMO this would be amazing for AoS, but it won't happen.

(roll priority; Player A does Hero phase, then player B does hero phase, then player A moves, then player B moves, ...shooting.. charges....)

SU-152 wrote:

 kodos wrote:

Change the system to alternating phases, it would be still IGoUGo without the time problem....

IMO this would be amazing for AoS, but it won't happen.

(roll priority; Player A does Hero phase, then player B does hero phase, then player A moves, then player B moves, ...shooting.. charges....)

GW has even made said game... It's Middle-Earth SBG and its WONDERFUL.

That's probably why they don't want to do it. They wouldn't want two near identical rulesets for different games they make.

Man reads Sand and Bone book (pamphlet).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FDQDW3vf9A&t=539s

Also has reviews of all the new Spearheads.

It's always a struggle to not buy another ogre bundle box.

The Ossiarch one is screaming at me. For £70, it's almost a no brainer.

I'm only missing a single unit for the Ossiarchs one.

Screw it, i got an Ossiarch one. That's been my favourite selection of units since the army launched.

Reviews of the new GHB have me more hyped for 4th edition than at any point previously.

Ordered the GHB, new Spearhead expansion thing and a KO Spearhead box, as no one in my local plays them.

Which reviews have you been watching?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Which reviews have you been watching?

AoS Coach and The Honest Wargamer

Cheers for that, i'll give them a watch.

Are the 4 new spearheads regular stock items? Assumed they were a limited splash but they arent listed as "available while stocks last" or whatever like other battleforces and splash releases are.

Also just noticed that the previous CoS spearhead is gone from the webstore, even though itvwas only released last year iirc.

I figure spearheads are the new "battleforce" that each army gets. GW just found a way to market them in a game format of their own.

So yeah I expect to see rotation of them. I think it would eat into too many profits to keep multiple spearheads on sale at once; esp for a good few AoS armies that don't even really have enough models to spread out over two spearheads as it is.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Are the 4 new spearheads regular stock items? Assumed they were a limited splash but they arent listed as "available while stocks last" or whatever like other battleforces and splash releases are.

Also just noticed that the previous CoS spearhead is gone from the webstore, even though itvwas only released last year iirc.

They're regular stock that are going to get rotated. However the Spearhead rules for those formations are going to stay in play.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/dunnnmdk/an-oracle-and-an-incarnate-rear-from-the-abyssal-depths/

it was an incarnate after all!

very cool stuff, but i guess this is it for IDK this edition. shame they couldn't get another troop option or something

Love the character, genuinely surprised it's an incarnate. But disappointed that's it. Would love to have seen some sort of heavy cavalry like crab or lobster or something. Or a big kraken-like centrepiece. Would have been a wonderful chance to show off their plastic skills with a load of intertwining tentacles and the like.

Yeah, tbe Deepkin are such a half-baked concept. Theres so much room for some really truly cool stuff there, and GW basically hasnt explored any of it.

Honestly GW feels like they only ever release leaders unless you're getting a major rework - which is fine but it also means that armies have to wait for ages to get a big model update.


I feel like there's an investment/mandate that updates must be leaders only because we never see them drop a monster or an artillery or troop choice. It's token leader or full half-army update.

Well thats a problem too, because some factions are ending up overloaded with leader/character type models. And often times it feels like theyre adding these things because they have a mandate to do so rather than because there is a hole or gap or need that needs to be addressed.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well thats a problem too, because some factions are ending up overloaded with leader/character type models. And often times it feels like theyre adding these things because they have a mandate to do so rather than because there is a hole or gap or need that needs to be addressed.

But in Idoneth's case, there was a hole. Outside of named characters, only the Akhelian King has Any Idoneth Deepkin as Regiment options with literally every other non-Unique option only having Any Namarti. You basically had to lean into named characters or just run multiple Kings if you wanted to go Akhelian heavy.

Quite like the new models. Very snazzy.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, tbe Deepkin are such a half-baked concept. Theres so much room for some really truly cool stuff there, and GW basically hasnt explored any of it.

For some reason I feel like half-boiled would be the more apt analogy...

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, tbe Deepkin are such a half-baked concept. Theres so much room for some really truly cool stuff there, and GW basically hasnt explored any of it.

I don't think they're half baked, they just need the Sylvaneth/Ironjawz treatment of like 3-4 kits to bulk out the army.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, tbe Deepkin are such a half-baked concept. Theres so much room for some really truly cool stuff there, and GW basically hasnt explored any of it.

I don't think they're half baked, they just need the Sylvaneth/Ironjawz treatment of like 3-4 kits to bulk out the army.

Giant manta rays with frickin' harpoon guns mounted on them.

Shoals of piranha-like nasties to function like scarab swarms.

Kelp or coral elementals.

Namarti voidsouls...who function like magic sinks and hinder enemy spells (and hinder everybody controlling spells)

Dedicated Soulrender assassin squads.

Revise the turtle to make it worth the points...

So, reading the WarCom article, do we think the Manifestation is exclusive to the Oracle special character, or might other Idoneth wizardy folk have access to it too?

I could read it both ways, depending on who has access to the Lore of the Abyss.

I doubt they're restricting a whole army lore to single unique character.

Am I blind or in the wrong timezone or did Goonhammer drop their Battlescroll review early?

https://www.goonhammer.com/age-of-sigmar-battlescroll-june-2025-the-goonhammer-review/

Note that all of the units earmarked for legending have now moved there in the pitched battle profiles document. If nothing else, this now makes the Stormcast points much much easier to parse. It also means all of this stuff is by default no longer matched play legal, so you’ll have to run your Beasts of Chaos army past the TO. Same for you, Bonesplitterz player.

Finally, a big hearty RIP to BoC, Sacrosanct and Boneslittaz. This move being the biggest “turd in the punchbowl” decision going into 4th edition really dampened my enthusiasm for 4th(as a long time BoC player/fan), but I got over it. I keep eyeing up the TOW Beastmen Arcane Journal to finally take the plunge, but I only have so much time…

Honestly 4th has felt like management kicking players in the groin when it comes to model based choices


First we had Stormcast losing a bunch of models that were only just 3 years old. For the flagship faction to lose models that young and for several of them being big iconic models not just replace troops that was a cruel blow.

Then we had the madness with Beasts of Chaos being squatted into Old World. Yes they aren't lost, but at the same time that's a heavy blow when we thought AoS was free from its army-loss days (save for the Dark Elf stuff where GW has never given us any idea what so ever what they are doing with them).

Fyreslayers also have an unsettled future with reliable rumour that they won't get a Battletome this edition which could mean any one of a number of potential situations.


I think many had hoped that 2.0 was the last time AoS was going to see army removals and massive model loss. Granted at least the continued whittling down of High Elf and Dwarf models is softened by them appearing Old World


One can just hope that this the second to last time for this - with the next being the likely loss of the Dark Elf models (at least I keep thinking it will happen since GW seems to refuse to really acknowledge them as part of Cites of Sigmar)

Beastmen were obviously an office politics thing. Chaos dwarves are going to AoS, so they wanted something back for the other game. Beasts are the obvious choice because they're just not popular. From what I've seen, basically nothing has moved since their re-release. Not even the new resin piece which usually goes in an instant.

It is a shame though, as beasts had far more room for growth in AoS than in the old world. Far more freedom of direction in terms of where they could have taken them .