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my buddy says that If im not using the aforementioned codices, then I'm playing Ultramarines. I'll be basically playing Vulkan and a list of salamander fluff based units, but he says I'm just ultramarines painted a different color, using a Salamander HQ.


What do you guys think?

I know its not a "rules" thing, but the forum is called 'you make da call' and we were debating the fact.

Your friend is a spiteful hater. He is also correct.

(Modquisition note: I'd sig that if I had the space.)

I reckon there is just an annoyance at ultramarines because games workshop loves them, but here I would say you are right here and he forgot Black templars and good luck with the salamanders.

are you using codex: Space marines? if so, then yes. they're basically ultramarines painted in different colors.

children of filth wrote:are you using codex: Space marines? if so, then yes. they're basically ultramarines painted in different colors.

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From a fluff perspective, think of it this way. The primarch of the ultramarines wrote the Codex Astartes. ALL space marine chapters barring the noted exceptions above have adopted this codex.

I didn't forget Black Templars. I omitted them, because they are STUPID!!1!!+1


Just kidding, yeah I forgot them. That's kinda lame that the army is still UM. It doesn't make any sense since they all have their own Primarchs with their own fluff and worlds where they came from etc. Just because they used some fat-fisted dude's book for their rules... =(



"What army do you play?"

"Ultra Salamander Vulkan 'strong hand' Calgar Marines... It's a working title."

olympia wrote:

children of filth wrote:are you using codex: Space marines? if so, then yes. they're basically ultramarines painted in different colors.

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From a fluff perspective, think of it this way. The primarch of the ultramarines wrote the Codex Astartes. ALL space marine chapters barring the noted exceptions above have adopted this codex.

-Hits with a brick-

Actually, only Two of the original 20 Legions have adopted the Codex Astrates in Full, the Ultramarines and the Imperial Fists.

The Space Wolves and the Iron Hands (who you "have" to use the SM codex to play) take a massive piss on the Codex, while the Salamanders pretty much do their own thing too.

All the other Original Legions run a modified version of it.

So to the OP, your friend is just a spiteful hater, who is wrong on so many levels it's not even funny.

This is codex ultramarines, with a few special charactes so you can pretend you are something else. The organization of the units in the book is codex adherent, and as said only two legions are actually codex adherent. You could make a case for imperial fists, but even they have differences from this.

Gwar! wrote:

olympia wrote:

children of filth wrote:are you using codex: Space marines? if so, then yes. they're basically ultramarines painted in different colors.

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From a fluff perspective, think of it this way. The primarch of the ultramarines wrote the Codex Astartes. ALL space marine chapters barring the noted exceptions above have adopted this codex.

-Hits with a brick-

Actually, only Two of the original 20 Legions have adopted the Codex Astrates in Full, the Ultramarines and the Imperial Fists.

The Space Wolves and the Iron Hands (who you "have" to use the SM codex to play) take a massive piss on the Codex, while the Salamanders pretty much do their own thing too.

All the other Original Legions run a modified version of it.

So to the OP, your friend is just a spiteful hater, who is wrong on so many levels it's not even funny.

So fluff wise maybe but as the codex system goes the vanilla marines with A guy from a chapter is not spiteful or wrong. It's a fact. BA, BT, SW, and DA actually have something codex wise stands apart.

WarmasterScott wrote:So fluff wise maybe but as the codex system goes the vanilla marines with A guy from a chapter is not spiteful or wrong. It's a fact. BA, BT, SW, and DA actually have something codex wise stands apart.

The codex is not called "Codex: Ultramarines" is it? No, you are playing "Space Marines".

I rest my case.

Gwar! wrote:

WarmasterScott wrote:So fluff wise maybe but as the codex system goes the vanilla marines with A guy from a chapter is not spiteful or wrong. It's a fact. BA, BT, SW, and DA actually have something codex wise stands apart.

The codex is not called "Codex: Ultramarines" is it? No, you are playing "Space Marines".

I rest my case.

poor gwar.. you're on your way to the next bench mark for useless posts. So why then have salamanders and the other chapters if they don't do anything but occupy a different color?

It's pointless for me to have gwar on ignore if you guys keep quoting him.

MODQUISITION: post deleted for personal attack. Get off it.

WarmasterScott wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

WarmasterScott wrote:So fluff wise maybe but as the codex system goes the vanilla marines with A guy from a chapter is not spiteful or wrong. It's a fact. BA, BT, SW, and DA actually have something codex wise stands apart.

The codex is not called "Codex: Ultramarines" is it? No, you are playing "Space Marines".

I rest my case.

poor gwar.. you're on your way to the next bench mark for useless posts. So why then have salamanders and the other chapters if they don't do anything but occupy a different color?

What are you talking about? I am saying they ARE different.

The OP Said that Salamanders are just Ultramarines Painted Green, they are not.

Gwar! wrote:

WarmasterScott wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

WarmasterScott wrote:So fluff wise maybe but as the codex system goes the vanilla marines with A guy from a chapter is not spiteful or wrong. It's a fact. BA, BT, SW, and DA actually have something codex wise stands apart.

The codex is not called "Codex: Ultramarines" is it? No, you are playing "Space Marines".

I rest my case.

poor gwar.. you're on your way to the next bench mark for useless posts. So why then have salamanders and the other chapters if they don't do anything but occupy a different color?

What are you talking about? I am saying they ARE different.

The OP Said that Salamanders are just Ultramarines Painted Green, they are not.

Fluff yes, codex no! That is what I'm saying. Vulkan is the only salamander fluff character and gives a bit of a salamander feel to vanilla marines. I know the op he posted this to get people riled and for you gwar it has done it magic. It was a social trial to prove the best way to keep a thread on dakka going is to start a good ole fashion arguement, not to actually help or tactics advice.

WarmasterScott wrote:Fluff yes, codex no! That is what I'm saying. Vulkan is the only salamander fluff character and gives a bit of a salamander feel to vanilla marines. I know the op he posted this to get people riled and foryou gwar it has done it magic.

I am nothing if not consistent

But the OP Said "Ultramarines", when they are actually "Space Marines"

TBH though, I have found that the Standard Codex is a good Fit for most chapters, but the original Legions are poorly represented with the exception of the Ultramarines and Imperial Fists.

Drudge Dreadnought wrote:This is codex ultramarines, with a few special charactes so you can pretend you are something else. The organization of the units in the book is codex adherent, and as said only two legions are actually codex adherent. You could make a case for imperial fists, but even they have differences from this.

Im pretty sure its all pretend.

Everyone pretends and disregards canon including GW. You need not be different.

A:Space wolves are always loyal..
B:Wolf of Fenris..
A:Some dumbass wrote that I disregard it.
B:Some dumbass wrote your Mary Wolf codex I disregard it.

[3Dog] See pretending is fun chiiiildren. Owwww. [/3dog]


OT your friend is pretending tell us what he plays and Im sure dakka will happily insult it for you. You may then pass it on to him..

You see I'm gonna have to go with Gwar, I mean sure you have to take a special character to have the variations between chapters, but still they aren't all Ultras.

Ultras are far less stubborn than the Imperial Fists and the rules for Captain Lysander reflect how the Chapter acts.

I will how ever say that back in 4th the differences between the Codex chapters were more profound.


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Also this strikes me as more a background thing then a YMDC thing

To be honest if your playing Salamanders then the whole army have TL-Flamy weapons, Master crafted thunder hammers and you don't have combat tactics (you can't play them with out Vulkan).. In my books that's a large difference, which force quite unique builds.

I can't believe this topic has gotten so much attention... It was a joke by the op to prove a point that dakka likes to argue, insult and overall contribute nothing to the wargaming exp. If a new player had to rely on dakka for help he would never start quoted from the op..

This thread is temporarily closed due to reports whilst I review the entire thread. Other mods please leave the rerpost open offside while I read through everything.
EDIT: Thread has been moved to discussions as its not a rules related issue.

If further attacks are made against posters on this thread they will be subject to suspension.

Imagine to play a successor chapter with the same rules as Salamanders or Crimson Fists.

Actually this thread was not just an experiment or some such. It was an honest question looking for some honest answers.

I say that the army is "Space Marines" and all of the chapters are just branches off that carry unique rules, leaders, fluff, etc.

It's not an army of ultramarines with some dudes who said one day "we're tired of ultramarining around. we should be salamanders! yeah!" before commencing an awesome-lucrative high-five fest. The different chapters were born(e) of different unique methods and locations, so not everyone is an Ultra with a different paint job.

That's my view of it.

Fluffwise the Ultra's cant use half the builds that Crimson fists, Imperial fists and salles can.


The Ultramarines first company was literaly wiped out, that means (fluffwise) you cant play TH/SS Termies and LR spammage, or Sternguard spammage.

Both those builds are very fluffy for certain chapters.

Gwar! wrote:The Space Wolves and the Iron Hands (who you "have" to use the SM codex to play) take a massive piss on the Codex, while the Salamanders pretty much do their own thing too.

I don't get the Space Wolves part of this, didn't they just get a tasty new codex? You even have an unofficial FAQ regarding it.

Homer

He was referring to the SM Codex for the Iron Hands.

I was also talking about the Codex Astrates

@ Lord Loss: The Battle for Macragge happened a while back as far as the storyline is concerned. In "Current" 40k, the 1st company had been rebuilt.

Ohh.....

Stupid Ultramarines.

Lord-Loss wrote:Ohh.....

Stupid Ultramarines.

Finally, something we agree on

Well..

Codex Space Marines, is for all Chapters that follow the rules listed by Guilleman at the end of Horus Heresy.

And ... no. We are not Ultramarines painted in a different way.

As an everyday player, I feel strange that people points up that all SM chapters are ultramarines with different scheme colors. This means that they do not read the story of the chapters and hence... well, don't give a damn about it.

As an Imperial Fist, who has been shot by the Ultra Smurfs to get their damned codex approved, I feel insulted. I'm a strong head... I love using my pain glove and I've nearly lost my chapter in the Iron Cage! I'm not an Ultramarine!

(LOL)