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Hey, starting a fluffy Iyanden army. It doesn't have to be extremely competitive because I really enjoy the fluff behind it. That said, I do want to win a game every now and then.

So how do you think this would do in 1500p ?

HQ:

Farseer w/ Fortune, RoWarding, RoWitnessing
Avatar

Troops:

10x Wraithguard w/ Spiritseer (Conceal)
5x Pathfinders

Elite:

10x Harlequins w/ Troupe Master, Shadowseer, Death Jester, 4x Kisses, 2x Fusion Pistols

Heavy Support:

Wraithlord w/ Flamer, Flamer, EML, Bright Lance
Wraithlord w/ Flamer, Flamer, Sword, Bright Lance
Wraithlord w/ Flamer, Flamer, Scatter laser, Starcannon


On larger games I planned on using Iyanna Arienal using Eldrads rules. How do you guys think that would do fluff wise?
I might also try Yriel, but somehow I dont find him that interesting, whats your experience with him?

Also I might suspect that people don't like taking the Death Jester in a Harlequin squad (mixing ranged with melee.. etc), but in all seriousness, they look so amazing and they fit the fluff, so I'm staying with them.

The scatter laser, starcannon wraithlord is against hordes... is there a better setup against hordes ?

The sword wielding wraithlord is also there partly because of Iyanna Arienals fluff, and because i really like the look of them. However I'm planning on using magnets so I can change wargear, if you think it sucks.

Hey, personally I love Lyanden Armies, if I ever get round to making an Eldar army I'm gonna use these bad boys!

However, IMHO i think:
- You need more troops, when your pathfinders die you'll just have 1 (albeit uber-tough) squad, personally I'd swap the pathfinders for guardians and maybe even drop 5 harlies 4 another set of guardians, altho I also love Harlequins, and I suspect that the craftworld would more likely have civilians to stay and run it rather than the few people they have left wandering about god knows where?!

- I think for hordes a shuriken cannon would be a better choice than a starcannon, but your flamers and harlies can make a real mess of hordes as it is...

- I like the idea of using Eldrad as whats-her-name, I thought of doing the same thing and it would definately help the play! and although I don't play Eldar atm (i do have the codex though) I really like the look of Yriel, who could take on just about anything and more! However if you don't like him then dont field him!

Anyway, I think it looks good, I hope I've helped! J.D

For more troops choices I would drop the pathfinders and 4 harlequins, then add in two 10 man guardian squads with scatter lasers.

Looks quite good.
Well, as said you are a bit light on troops.
Imagine an enemy who fields weapons that ignore cover (SM with thunder cannons, IG with whatnot).
They eventually can kill the Pathfinders leaving you with one scoring unit.

Yeah, I agree with some of these others in disliking the pathfinders. They're pretty vulnerable compared to some of the other things in the list. How about switching them for some guardians - this would have the advantage of giving you another warlock to control the wraiths and keep them from going paralytic on you. I don't think you could fit another unit of wraithguard troops in without cutting out an MC.

I would only equip wraithlords with a combo of EML/Brightlance/sword (and flamers of course). Transports are a major problem for me, it would be nice to have something that can blow up the transport and then assault the contents. Also, starcannons are certainly overpriced. EML is still decent anti-horde, and you can use the flamers if close enough.

So, it's all fairly solid, I'd replace the pathfinders, tune the 3rd wraithlord, try and fit in more troops (cut down the harlequin unit a bit?)

I'd consider a unit of Guardians with scatterlaser
accompanied by a Warlock with embolden.

Including guardians is not a good way to go. They will die much sooner than 5 pathfinders. The whole point of a wraithwall army is to make small arms fire next to useless. With guardians on the table all that small arms fire will be directed their way.
However I dont think the harlies are either fluffy nor needed.

Maybe something like this. Might wanna consider dropping one WL for a "count as Eldrad" but thats very personal imo.

HQ:
Yriel = 155
FarSeer (Fortune+RoWard+Spear) = 103

Troops:
10xWGs (Spiritseer+Spear+Conceal) = 399

10xWGs (Spiritseer+Spear+Conceal) = 399

HS:
2xWLs (EML+BL) = 310
WL (EML+Scatter) = 135

Including guardians is not a good way to go. They will die much sooner than 5 pathfinders. The whole point of a wraithwall army is to make small arms fire next to useless. With guardians on the table all that small arms fire will be directed their way.

The Guardians' task is to stay back in the deployment zone possibly holding an objective.
Small arms' fire will hardly reach them.

Problem is tho that everyone and his mother plays mech these days so its very difficult to make sure that they do not reach them.

tedurur wrote:Problem is tho that everyone and his mother plays mech these days so its very difficult to make sure that they do not reach them.

With three WL's and an Avatar around, the enemy will think twice
if he should get too close.

Thanks for all the ideas guys!

I think I'll do some fiddling to include 10 pathfinders instead of 5.

Do you guys reckon I should use two teams of 5, or one team of 10? Im thinking about 2x 5 man teams.

The reasoning of this is that most of my regular opponents never uses cover ignoring weapons (this might change as a friend just bought SoB). And with loads of 4+ saves around, thats a lot of 2+ possibilities for me.

I am well aware that even a single weapon that ignores cover and is Ap 5 or better will ruin the pathfinders day But its all for fun, so meh


I might think about getting guardians at a later stage, but I somehow feel that its strange for Iyanden to send guardians to battle, considering how valuable life is for them.

And as a side note, my girlfriend is going to paint this army for me, as she doesnt like the gaming aspect but she likes painting stuff. And she really fancied the swooping hawks model, which means i bought 6 of them.

I'm thinking of running them with skyleap and just jump up and down to the skies and shoot at random stuff with them. I think it fits with the fluff in a way, as eventhough they are easily killed, they can be immune up in the skies and just use "guerilla tactics" and kill of stragglers.


P.S. Sorry for the late reply, Im travelling atm Which also means I dont have a codex on me atm, so if i got something wrong, i blame that!

Swooping Hawks are a fluffy unit, but rather mediocre game-wise.
They can excel vs. horde armies but struggle vs. MEQ.

wuestenfux wrote:Swooping Hawks are a fluffy unit, but rather mediocre game-wise.
They can excel vs. horde armies but struggle vs. MEQ.

Good enough for me!

I would choose swooping hawks also. Harlies dont really fit in with iylanden i think. Im not against the path finders but id include some 10 man guardian squads.

Well, Aspect Warriors do not fit well with the Iyanden theme.
I'd be more inclined to include Harlies approaching from the Webway.

Eldar Own wrote:Harlies dont really fit in with iylanden i think. Im not against the path finders but id include some 10 man guardian squads.

Well as both pathfinders and harlequins work independetly and dont belong to the craftworld itself, I think they work perfectly into the fluff. Moreso than the guardians (atleast for Iyanden).

I'll have to play test my pathfinders and see how often they get toasted by flamers and such. And depending on that get something more or different.

The main idea behind the army was that everything that belongs to the craftworld itself would either be farseer/warlocks and wraith* units. The swooping hawks are an exeption to this rule, due to the reasons i already stated.

I'll try to stay along those paths for as long as possible. However if I can't ever win a game, then I'll have to stray abit further from the fluff to get a more competative army.

On a side note, I ordered the forge world Avatar. As I have no previous experience with forge world models, I wonder how acceptable substituting GW models with Forge World ones would be? In a possible tournament scene?

I didnt say drop the pathfinders just include some guardians as well

Well, FW models are widely accepted at tournaments.
The German GT this year even allowed playing the according to FW rules;
however, only models with 1 structural point were allowed.

Eldar Own wrote:I didnt say drop the pathfinders just include some guardians as well

Sorry, yeah I understood that you didnt mean that I should drop the pathfinders. I'm just abit reluctant to bringing Iyanden guardians to the fight.

@Wuestenfux

Thanks, good to know. We rarelly have tournaments around these parts, but I want the army to be legal if such tournaments ever would come.

wuestenfux wrote:

tedurur wrote:Problem is tho that everyone and his mother plays mech these days so its very difficult to make sure that they do not reach them.

With three WL's and an Avatar around, the enemy will think twice
if he should get too close.

So youd wanna keep all the WLs and the Avatar back in your deployment zone?

Superior, you are right about not bringing any guardians. Both from a fluff point of view but even more so from a game play point of view. An Iyanden force should use the target denial strategy in order to be effectivt. ie no pesky 3 T units around. So Imo go with 2 WG units 3 WLs and an Avatar/Yriel and a fortune seer.

So Imo go with 2 WG units 3 WLs and an Avatar/Yriel and a fortune seer.

That's a good decision.
I'd be inclined to consider a Seer Council by dropping the Avatar.
But this beast is very cost effective.

So youd wanna keep all the WLs and the Avatar back in your deployment zone?

Keeping the army together is a must have if its that small.

wuestenfux wrote:

So Imo go with 2 WG units 3 WLs and an Avatar/Yriel and a fortune seer.

That's a good decision.

Actually thats a plan I have in the future, however the WG units are very irl money costly. Which is the reason I'm only buying 10 in the beginning, might add 5-10 after a while.

However, because I'm just starting out I'm going with just one troop choice WG. This is so I can play smaller games (read: 2x 5man pathfinders for troop choice) instead of using only insanely expencive WG troops.

This way I can also mix my lists and not get bored using only the same army list

I will have it as a mission to get 10 more WG soon

Agreed, but if you need to stay out of small arms fire due to having guardians in your army you need to stay way more defencive than if you have units with +6T

Yep I understand,

thats why i've aimed that my <T6 units will have :

Veil of Tears (if i remember the name correctly, as i have no codex)
or 2+ cover save (due to my friends not fielding many anti-cover weapons)


So that should help my weaker troops alive.>

Okay, I got my codex available again.

What about this list?


<=1500p :

HQ:

Iyanna Arienal (Count as Eldrad)
Avatar

Elites:

7x Harlequins w/ 4x Kisses, 1x Fusion Pistols, Troupe Master, Shadowseer

Troop:

10x Wraithguard w/ Spiritseer (Conceal)
5x Pathfinders
5x Pathfinders

Heavy Support:

Wraithlord w/ BL, EML, 2x Flamer
Wraithlord w/ BL, Sword, 2x Flamer
(E: Changed my wraithguard typo to wraithlord!)

What do you guys think? Is this better, or was the last one better?

I'd drop Eldrad and take a Fortune Seer.
Find some points to add another Wraithlord.

HQ:

Farseer w/ Fortune, RoWarding
Avatar

Elites:

6x Harlequins w/ 3x Kisses, Troupe Master, Shadowseer

Troop:

10x Wraithguard w/ Spiritseer (Conceal)
5x Pathfinders
5x Pathfinders

Heavy Support:

Wraithlord w/ BL, EML, 2x Flamer
Wraithlord w/ BL, Sword, 2x Flamer
Wraithlord w/ BL, Sword, 2x Flamer

E: Can't spell at all today apparently

Looks really good.
However, the Troupe Master is not a must-have.

Hmmm! True!

I'm way to used to my space marines with their sergeants!

I could degrade him, and another kiss wielding harlequin.

How survivable are the harlequins to units like 20-30 ork boyz? a medium size ork nob mob?
Feels like I pay 18p for a model that is basically a ork boy but with a 5+ invul and the chance to add rending weapons.
(The shadowseers bonus is really nice ofc, but if you dont count him in to the equation)

Well, vs. Orks I let them hit and run.
This is especially useful if the Harlies charge with a WL.
Decimate the mob first.
WL's with eml's and flamers are priceless.