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here is another one of my lists from before i updated it. let me know what you think. and if you have any suggestions please let me know.


Big mek
KFF
shoota/skorcha-kombi weapon
eavy armor
cybork body

= 105


30 boyz (Shootas-or-sluggas)
3 big shootas
nob with power klaw

= 230

30 boyz (Sluggas)
3 big shootas
nob with power klaw

= 230


30 boyz (Sluggas)
3 big shootas
nob with power klaw

= 230


12 lootas
= 180


12 lootas
= 180



Battle Wagon
killkannon
grotriggers
reinforced ram
armor plates

= 170


Battle Wagon
killkannon
grotriggers
reinforced ram
armor plates

= 170


==1495==



The battlewagons will hold my lootas in them and the big mek with the kff will help keep the battlewagons moving.

A couple things.

If your running slugga boyz, never take shooty upgrades. You should be running every single turn to get stuck into CC faster. If you run you cant shoot. Its personal preference whether to run sluggas or shootas. I like sluggas but hey, to each his own.

I would get another KFF Mech and put him inside the BW with your lootas.

Drop some stuff off the battlewagons to get the 85 points for the extra KFF Mech. Also, i would take the Deff Rolla instead of the Ram. d6 STR 10 hits on a unit is amazing. KillKannon is meh. Its your call really but if you need the points for the other mech or even more Lootas, do that instead.

I hope this helped man.


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Also, it may be wise to get a big unit of Grots to act as a screen for your boyz. If not, your going to get blown to hell against armies with pie plates.

how about this list.


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Big mek
KFF
shoota/skorcha-kombi weapon
eavy armor
cybork body

= 105

Big mek
KFF
shoota/skorcha-kombi weapon
eavy armor
cybork body

= 105

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30 boyz (sluggas)
nob with powerclaw & bosspole

=220


30 boyz (sluggas)
nob with powerclaw & bosspole

=220


30 boyz (sluggas)
nob with powerclaw & bosspole

=220
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BattleWagon
grotriggers
deff rolla
armor plates
zzap gun

= 140

BattleWagon
grotriggers
deff rolla
armor plates
zzap gun

= 140

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12 lootas- 180

12 lootas- 180

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1510

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i know taking grots would help but i dont have the points for them im just gonna have to take my chances and be carefull. i have added zap guns in there i know orks have crap bs but i still get a shot at knocking out any armor.
Let Me know what you think.

I strip down the KFF Mechs and only give them the KFF. That would make them each 85 points saving you 20 on each.

You could also get rid of the boss pole. With 30 Orks i think you will be alright. If your in CC where you lose enough orks that you dont have mob rule anymore, your dead anyways.

Get rid of the grot riggers. and really man Zzap guns arnt going to do much for you compared to the Grot wall.

If your worried about killing armor, get rid of those lootas and take a Nob Mob. a few MANZ will take care of anything.

Also, the deffrolla is in the air whether you can "roll" vehicles. There is no right or wrong answer it just depends on the people you play with. So that could possibly be your tank killers as well.

the more games you play, the more your going to find out that having screens are a must.

My 2 cents.



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HQ:
KFF Mech-85

KFF Mech-85

Troops:
30x Slugga Boyz-215
-Nob w/PK

30x Slugga Boyz-215
-Nob w/PK

30x Slugga Boyz-215
-Nob w/PK

Heavy:
BattleWagon-110
-DeffRolla

BattleWagon-110
-DeffRolla

Elites:
12 lootas- 180

12 lootas- 180

Total: 1395

There are your points for a nice Grot wall.


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The reason i say to strip your KFF mech is because hes never going to see CC and why give him guns when hes with lootas. Espicially a scorcha...if that unit is that close to an enemy, your doing something wrong. Lootas need to stay Max range.

My advice:

Read some of the other army lists in the forum here, the comments and criticisms that have been posted on them, and don't make those of us who care and like to help have to repeat ourselves endlessly.

thanks alot man for your help i really appreciate it