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Ok so my orc warboss+orc boyz are in CC with a dwarf lord+longbeards. Theese are 1 unit. The lord and warboss are in a challenge. What happens in the followin situation??

The lord defeats the orc warboss and forces him to flee but the combat between the orcs and the longbeards is a draw? Who flees? The whole unit or just the boss? The samw thing for the other way round (orcs need to flee but warboss draws.)??

Eldar Own wrote:The lord defeats the orc warboss and forces him to flee but the combat between the orcs and the longbeards is a draw? Who flees? The whole unit or just the boss? The samw thing for the other way round (orcs need to flee but warboss draws.)??

Characters may only leave or join units during the Movement phase. In your example, since combat is a draw, no one flees. Fleeing is a result of losing combat due to Combat Resolution for an entire unit and affects the entire unit, not just a single part of it.

its the combat as a whole... these are not two separate fights.
you add the wounds that the characters do to each other to the wounds that the units do to each other and then see who wins that way.

Thus, if the combat between the orcs and longbeards is a draw, and his lord beat your warboss, the whole unit loses and the whole unit takes one break test on the warboss's leadership.

Arion wrote:Thus, if the combat between the orcs and longbeards is a draw, and his lord beat your warboss, the whole unit loses and the whole unit takes one break test on the warboss's leadership.

Not true. The wounds caused in a challenge counts towards the CR(ie. the Draw in the example). There is no way to "lose" a Challenge in the rules unless you die, you can ONLY lose Combat(re-read the section on Combats and the section on Challenges, which states Challenges are still part of the same Combat their unit is involved in, it only limits who can strike whom).

I think Arion might have just badly expressed what he meant- I thought he meant that if the Longbeards and Orcs had equal CR, and the dwarf lord beat the warboss in the challenge (where "beat" = scored more wounds), then that CR difference from the challenge would in fact cause the whole unit of orcs to lose the combat. Which is true.

But I think your point is still an important one to remember. The units win or lose in terms of CR, and the units are what take break tests. The characters and their challenge are just a sub-set of the larger combat, and wounds (and Overkill) they do add to the CR for their respective sides.

So basically you add the points from the challange to that of the normal combat and see who wins. Then the losing side take a break test and if they fail, both the unit and character flee. Am i right??

Yes, that's correct.

A character in a unit breaks or doesn't break with the unit. They test together.