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Hey fellow Orks,

My LGS is having an Toys for Tots tourney in the second week of December. The only special rule in this tourney is no "Named Characters"!! The reason being is because they want this to be a very low key tourney without any uber-cheesy named characters like Eldarch and the like.

Unfortunately, this means I can't take Snikrot, but I think overall Orks benefit from that rule since they usually focus more on basic troops and HQ's and rely very little on special named characters.

Here is the List I'm planning so far.

HQ
Big Mek w. KFF, Cybork Burna 115
Warboss w. PK, Cybork, 'Eavy 100

Troops
11xBoys, Nob PK BP in Trukk w/ Ram (HQ 1) 146
11xBoys, Nob PK BP in Trukk w/ Ram (HQ 2) 146
20x Shoota Boyz, 2 Big Shoota w. Nob PK BP 170
20x Shoota Boyz, 2 Big Shoota w. Nob PK BP 170
10x Gretchin + Runtherd 40pts
12x Boyz Nob PK BP in Trukk(no upgrades) 147pts

Elite
9x Lootas 135 pts
9x Lootas 135 pts

Heavy
BattleWagon w/ Deffrolla, Grot Riggers, Big Shoota 120 pts
BattleWagon w/ Deffrolla, Grot Riggers, Big Shoota 120 pts

Total 1499 pts.

The units/upgrades marked in Red are a few that I'm debating on taking.

--I know Trukk boyz are good, but I currently only have 2 of the recent model of GW trukk and on older model (the GorkaMorka model I believe, which is about 1/3rd the size of the newer models), so I'm hoping nobody would have a problem with it. I was also considering using it and another small "Kustom" vehicle as a pair of Warbuggies.

--Deffrollas are always nice, but there are lots of turns when I want to move 6" or less to use the 40+ shots from the Shoota boy squad...which often makes it hard to Tank Shock.

At any rate, If I remove those, I could potentially free up 177 pts (15pts for each Deffrolla, because I would give them Rams for the Reroll). Which could be enough to take one of the following options I've been considering; Looted Wagon, Burna Boyz, StormBoyz, Kommandos or Warbikers.

Careful with Deffrollas; some stores rule that they don't work against vehicles, which makes them not really worth the points.

You might want to consider staying away small units of Gretchin; they die and flee very quickly. Also, your army list is begging for stormboyz. Do you have any? Can you proxy stormboyz for your shoota boy mobs?

Erm...nevermind; those guys are in battlewagons. Your battlewagon has issues....if you're taking battlewagons as assault platforms, then you want slugga boyz, not shoota boys. If you're taking them as shooting units, then your battlewagon can only move 6" per turn, or the guys inside don't get to fire...in which case the DeffRolla is pointless.

What are your plans? Mechanized assault or mechanized shooting? Let me know so i can help better.

discuss mech assault please, DoP.

i wanna see how to properly build that list type

Dashofpepper wrote:Careful with Deffrollas; some stores rule that they don't work against vehicles, which makes them not really worth the points.

You might want to consider staying away small units of Gretchin; they die and flee very quickly. Also, your army list is begging for stormboyz. Do you have any? Can you proxy stormboyz for your shoota boy mobs?

Erm...nevermind; those guys are in battlewagons. Your battlewagon has issues....if you're taking battlewagons as assault platforms, then you want slugga boyz, not shoota boys. If you're taking them as shooting units, then your battlewagon can only move 6" per turn, or the guys inside don't get to fire...in which case the DeffRolla is pointless.

What are your plans? Mechanized assault or mechanized shooting? Let me know so i can help better.

Thanks for stopping by, DoP, I was hoping you would come by to give me some comments.

I've been thinking the same thing about the worthiness of Deffrollas with Shoota Boyz inside (it's actually in my comments there as you'll notice). On the plus side, my store does allow them to be used against vehicles because according to most players, the RAW allows it.

As for my army plans. I guess it's a mix of Shooty and Assault. The shoota boyz usually shoot whatever they can until there is a good opportunity to assault. Afterwards, they continue to shoot and assault whenever possible. Most people on the Librarium-Online forums say that Shoota boyz are generally better because they have a lot of shots. I'm still not sure how well the Shoota and Slugga boyz mix, but it seems to work decently. If you recommend going all One or the Other, I'm always open to hear your opinions.

Now StormBoyz. I have at least 5x Old skool models, 5x Kustom Stormboyz and 5x Rokkit Gubbinz that I ordered off Ebay. I also should win 5x Stormboy heads/arms and bodies today...so that should be a good 15 Stormboyz. IF I drop the Deffrollas and the mob of Shoota boyz, that should free up 177 pts. (15pts for each Deffrolla, because I would replace with a Ram for Terrain tests.) That's enough for about 11x Stormboyz w/ a Nob and PK, BP. Not sure if that s enough or if I could get rid of other stuff to make room for more.

I also have Burna Boyz which you recommended earlier.

So what do you suggest?

Kommandos with 2xburnas and a nob to cause a threat to push your enemy from the edges. 11 stormboyz is not enuff.