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2018/10/17 11:14:51
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
5deadly wrote: If they did it your way would sales go up?
given that the company continually keeps limiting itself to avoid tax and legal obligations in Spain. They've talked about it in the past, they keep the number of employees low for this reason.
This is absolute BS, sustained by your imagination and no given facts at all. I dare you to prove this point.
Please, go on, amaze us with your knowledge about CB actual company status and spanish taxes. I'll wait.
This is mostly true. Bostria has said this many times in seminars. Basically they're at a line where if they go over it their taxes go way up. It's not so much they don't want to grow but now they would have to grow at a very large amount very quickly to justify/offset the taxes and they don't feel they're in the place to basically increase their workforce 50% overnight. Angel also talked alot about spanish taxes when he did his first book. It was limited to 2k world wide as if he printed more then that the tax amount tripled or some crazy number that would make him loose money unless he could sell and print 8-10k (which he easy did) but wasn't sure at first if the book would as it's a small hobby. Topo, who does papercraft stuff for CB, did a kickstarter for a 3d printer file for a ship and they're a discussion on the infinity forums about the crazy way spain deals with businesses and taxes and his worry about making not enough money that he pays more then he takes home. Spanish taxes are really crazy relating to businesses.
No, that is not correct.
I'm sorry but you are building here a kind of story with one crazy hypothesis over another and the worst part is that you still believe this narrative.
So let's go point by point because you are wrong and need to be re-directed.
Firts of all, Kanluwen did affirm with absolute certainty that "CB wasn't hiring more people because Taxes". Absolute bs. Highly hypothetical based on nothing but doritos dust under his chair. Please prove it.
Then, KovnicObama said regarding the same subject:
Perhaps the cost of switching from an NELC to a PLC is really prohibitive?
Or, possibly, CB is registered as a WOC which means that unless new hires are willing to match the initial investment of the owners, they cant work more than 15% of the total annual work hours
Wich at least is written like a hypothesis, but admiting that he has no clue about the subject and maybe the point is vaguely there. The only real fact here is that this gentleman admist that he is being highly, almost fictional, hypothetical.
And then, you, Monkeysloth, said stuff like: "Bostria has said this many times in seminars." wich essentially is an absolute wildcard that proves nothing but add some credibility about your next line: -"Basically they're at a line where if they go over it their taxes go way up."
Ok, I'll give you this: MAYBE, at 2014 CB still was at that point. Nowadays at 2018 almost '19 they've already pass through that "spanish taxes gap". They are a company with more than 50 employees, wich makes them no longer a PYME (Small or medium company in Spain). In fact, they have just hired a new community manager, they are hiring a salesman, they keep hiring people whenever they need more workforce or cover some maternity gaps. Check their Linkedin profiles.
And all this lovely storm of "inside information based on NOTHING" plus "Highly speculative forum fanfiction" was written when trying to justify why CB is discontinuing SKUs.
They are discontinuing SKUs because, as Bostria said in Adepticon 2018, the range is unsustainable at this point. The distributors, the stores, the online stores and themselves cannot handle 600 SKUs. There is a point when there is a lot of dead weight and they need to relief everyone from so many products.
Let's admit that INFINITY it's not so incredibly popular to be able to sustain 40 armies and 1400 SKUs. They are not GW. So they have decided to discontinue stuff for making space for the new stuff because no one fething care about Merovingia anymore.
No Spanish Taxes magical gap. No hiring crisis bottom line. No total annual 15% hour communist ruling. None of that.
But, hey, it was fun to read your fictional stuff.
2018/10/17 22:01:06
Subject: Re:The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
in the PanO video there was some really exciting news about PanO. OSs got Link Special, along with various knights, so fingers crossed there. Hospitallers got a major boost (like they needed it) some points reductions across the board. Santiagos got a nice little rework.
But most importantly of all, Teutons are linkable again.
Praise Space Jesus.
The galaxy is littered with the single-planet graveyards of civilisations which made the economically sensible decision not to explore space.
2018/10/17 22:15:15
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
5deadly wrote: If they did it your way would sales go up?
given that the company continually keeps limiting itself to avoid tax and legal obligations in Spain. They've talked about it in the past, they keep the number of employees low for this reason.
This is absolute BS, sustained by your imagination and no given facts at all. I dare you to prove this point.
Please, go on, amaze us with your knowledge about CB actual company status and spanish taxes. I'll wait.
This is mostly true. Bostria has said this many times in seminars. Basically they're at a line where if they go over it their taxes go way up. It's not so much they don't want to grow but now they would have to grow at a very large amount very quickly to justify/offset the taxes and they don't feel they're in the place to basically increase their workforce 50% overnight. Angel also talked alot about spanish taxes when he did his first book. It was limited to 2k world wide as if he printed more then that the tax amount tripled or some crazy number that would make him loose money unless he could sell and print 8-10k (which he easy did) but wasn't sure at first if the book would as it's a small hobby. Topo, who does papercraft stuff for CB, did a kickstarter for a 3d printer file for a ship and they're a discussion on the infinity forums about the crazy way spain deals with businesses and taxes and his worry about making not enough money that he pays more then he takes home. Spanish taxes are really crazy relating to businesses.
No, that is not correct.
I'm sorry but you are building here a kind of story with one crazy hypothesis over another and the worst part is that you still believe this narrative.
So let's go point by point because you are wrong and need to be re-directed.
Firts of all, Kanluwen did affirm with absolute certainty that "CB wasn't hiring more people because Taxes". Absolute bs. Highly hypothetical based on nothing but doritos dust under his chair. Please prove it.
Then, KovnicObama said regarding the same subject:
Perhaps the cost of switching from an NELC to a PLC is really prohibitive?
Or, possibly, CB is registered as a WOC which means that unless new hires are willing to match the initial investment of the owners, they cant work more than 15% of the total annual work hours
Wich at least is written like a hypothesis, but admiting that he has no clue about the subject and maybe the point is vaguely there. The only real fact here is that this gentleman admist that he is being highly, almost fictional, hypothetical.
And then, you, Monkeysloth, said stuff like: "Bostria has said this many times in seminars." wich essentially is an absolute wildcard that proves nothing but add some credibility about your next line: -"Basically they're at a line where if they go over it their taxes go way up."
Ok, I'll give you this: MAYBE, at 2014 CB still was at that point. Nowadays at 2018 almost '19 they've already pass through that "spanish taxes gap". They are a company with more than 50 employees, wich makes them no longer a PYME (Small or medium company in Spain). In fact, they have just hired a new community manager, they are hiring a salesman, they keep hiring people whenever they need more workforce or cover some maternity gaps. Check their Linkedin profiles.
And all this lovely storm of "inside information based on NOTHING" plus "Highly speculative forum fanfiction" was written when trying to justify why CB is discontinuing SKUs.
They are discontinuing SKUs because, as Bostria said in Adepticon 2018, the range is unsustainable at this point. The distributors, the stores, the online stores and themselves cannot handle 600 SKUs. There is a point when there is a lot of dead weight and they need to relief everyone from so many products.
Let's admit that INFINITY it's not so incredibly popular to be able to sustain 40 armies and 1400 SKUs. They are not GW. So they have decided to discontinue stuff for making space for the new stuff because no one fething care about Merovingia anymore.
No Spanish Taxes magical gap. No hiring crisis bottom line. No total annual 15% hour communist ruling. None of that.
But, hey, it was fun to read your fictional stuff.
It’s true. They looked at the sales numbers against their plans for the future and cut some SKUs. This isn’t some vast conspiracy.
The real secret is most of the people complaining the loudest don’t actually play these factions. If not, they already own all the discontinued models, or can easily get them a year later.
Let’s move beyond the outrage here. there is a lot of news dropping this week. The hobby is growing in new directions.
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.Mikes. wrote: in the PanO video there was some really exciting news about PanO. OSs got Link Special, along with various knights, so fingers crossed there. Hospitallers got a major boost (like they needed it) some points reductions across the board. Santiagos got a nice little rework.
But most importantly of all, Teutons are linkable again.
Praise Space Jesus.
They’re really pushing to make limited insertion lists more viable.
Considering all the dull tournament lists I have seen, full of order monkeys & mostly uninteresting profiles, this is a good change.
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Is that a natural 21?
Nomads & Yu Jing
2018/10/17 23:08:15
Subject: Re:The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
I am liking the new rules which are making order pools more adaptable. LT lvl 2, NCO, that one giving a unit an additional irregular order. Makes me excited to see what IA will bring.
The galaxy is littered with the single-planet graveyards of civilisations which made the economically sensible decision not to explore space.
2018/10/18 01:57:02
Subject: Re:The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Red Harvest wrote: Me too. I like Infinity at 10 orders. I don't like Infinity at 20 orders.
I understand, but I like both (having a CHA army also), but the way it's going is it gives us the flexibility to make either viable. The game's going in a good direction.
Hey, have any new minis been previewed for the Invincible Army? I admit I haven’t watched the Yu Jing video yet, because listening to Carlos makes my brain itch.
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Red Harvest wrote: Me too. I like Infinity at 10 orders. I don't like Infinity at 20 orders.
I understand, but I like both (having a CHA army also), but the way it's going is it gives us the flexibility to make either viable. The game's going in a good direction.
What did Stephen Rao have to do with any of this? (I'm referring to the appearance of the now discontinued mini.)
You didn't hear? he's omnipotent now.
Or viable in any link, same thing.
This will be interesting to see. He's not super-optimized, but he's a reasonable meat and potatoes choice as a LT or in a B-M fireteam. For once, I am actually intrigued by the new rules that may be coming, regarding the order pool and its uses at any rate, rather than cursing them as unwelcomed bloat. Just please, no more hacking. And no more weapons like Chest Mines.
2018/10/18 06:50:42
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
So, if SAA is no longer being produced, what's the plan for the Tikbalang/Uhlan set? Please tell me they've mentioned plans to do a x2 Uhlan box to replace it. With new poses, hopefully.
And what about the fact that the vanilla PanO starter includes an SAA unit? I wonder if we'll be seeing a new PanO starter in the near future?
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Barzam wrote: So, if SAA is no longer being produced, what's the plan for the Tikbalang/Uhlan set? Please tell me they've mentioned plans to do a x2 Uhlan box to replace it. With new poses, hopefully.
And what about the fact that the vanilla PanO starter includes an SAA unit? I wonder if we'll be seeing a new PanO starter in the near future?
Tiks are now available in MO apparently.
As for the Akal Commando in the vanilla starter, its also available in vanilla, so...
2018/10/18 09:09:43
Subject: Re:The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Not super fond of the color scheme, but that's an easy fix. Nothing super special about the concept art, hoping for a standout pose. Really excited to finally see this guy.
2018/10/18 15:38:28
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Barzam wrote: So, if SAA is no longer being produced, what's the plan for the Tikbalang/Uhlan set? Please tell me they've mentioned plans to do a x2 Uhlan box to replace it. With new poses, hopefully.
And what about the fact that the vanilla PanO starter includes an SAA unit? I wonder if we'll be seeing a new PanO starter in the near future?
Tiks are now available in MO apparently.
As for the Akal Commando in the vanilla starter, its also available in vanilla, so...
Reasoning for Tikbalang in MO is that the SAA get decimated holding out against the Combined in the 3rd offensive and survivors are taken off the front lines. MO is rotated in to take their positions on Paradiso and SAA leave much of their equipment behind for MO to use.
Barzam wrote: So, if SAA is no longer being produced, what's the plan for the Tikbalang/Uhlan set? Please tell me they've mentioned plans to do a x2 Uhlan box to replace it. With new poses, hopefully.
And what about the fact that the vanilla PanO starter includes an SAA unit? I wonder if we'll be seeing a new PanO starter in the near future?
Tiks are now available in MO apparently.
As for the Akal Commando in the vanilla starter, its also available in vanilla, so...
Reasoning for Tikbalang in MO is that the SAA get decimated holding out against the Combined in the 3rd offensive and survivors are taken off the front lines. MO is rotated in to take their positions on Paradiso and SAA leave much of their equipment behind for MO to use.
It's also because they refuse to separate the Tikbalang from the Uhlan in the boxed set.
2018/10/18 17:38:13
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Every game uses lore to backup sales and development decisions, that's no secret. Every. Company. Most companies even flat-out admit it, it makes perfect sense. the only difference is bad companies half-arse the fluff and come up with crap justifications, good ones come up with interesting ways to justify it. Or do you really think that GW found the idea of squats being eaten by tyranids so engaging that they just HAD to write it into the story, sales be damned?
Given some of Kirby's decisions, "Sales Be Damned" sounds like the correct answer. Fortunately for GW, the company now has a CEO who thinks differently.
All of the discontinued ASA units are available in Vanilla.
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2018/10/18 21:48:23
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Most but not all ASA SKU, as is the case with Merovigian SKUs, have been discontinued, neither profiles in Vanilla or the sectorial have been discontinued and people can freely use them,
I do not know were the story about why there are Tickbalangs in MO came from, but it is not true.
2018/10/18 22:12:37
Subject: Re:The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
"Most but not all ASA SKU, as is the case with Merovigian SKUs, have been discontinued, neither profiles in Vanilla or the sectorial have been discontinued and people can freely use them, "
Except for the Montessa, who is currently having a midlife crisis so bought a Chopper.
The galaxy is littered with the single-planet graveyards of civilisations which made the economically sensible decision not to explore space.
2018/10/18 23:51:30
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Further MO changes are trickling through from the official Spanish forum:
- Hospitallers no longer link with Magisters
- Teutons can Haris with Magisters
- Serapch profile is getting retouched
- Changes to the Santiago profiles (not sure if this is in addition to what we saw int he vid)
- Father Knight may be able to link wth the 'kids' (either Magsiters or OSs I think)
In short - I'm happy.
The galaxy is littered with the single-planet graveyards of civilisations which made the economically sensible decision not to explore space.
2018/10/19 05:28:34
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
(I'm referring to the appearance of the now discontinued mini.)
