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I love low model count. And I was wondering if anyone can suggest a small competitive army.. preferably without oblits and land raiders.

Cmon dakka help me out.

Nob Bikers.

20 tacitcal marines, 20 assault terminators, a captain, a chaplain and a thunderfire cannon 1500pts

NidZilla!

BloodCrushers and Fateweaver


Other than that space wolf Landraider spam with 4 HQs

Nob bikers: 22 models = 1,850 points.

Space wolvers err i mean puppies.

Shaman wrote:I love low model count. And I was wondering if anyone can suggest a small competitive army.. preferably without oblits and land raiders.

Cmon dakka help me out.

nah, doesn't work without 'em!

What about Daemonhunters?

starbomber109 wrote:What about Daemonhunters?

No way to make a "competitive" DH army, at least not in the sense of "able to compete against top players with strong army lists" competition.

I honestly think that "small army" and "competitive" don't really go well together. There may be some exceptions, but when you limit the number of units that you have, you also limit the amount of damage your army can potentially do in one turn.

That being said, a bikes-as-troops SM army can be pretty damned vicious, and not have too many models, though it's still a pricey army to build.

Short of LR spam, DH doesn't really have much going for it. We have awesome terminators, but that's not enough to float the entire army, especially since they're not troops.

What about Deathwing aren't they one of the armies with the least models?

Not_u stole the words out of my mouth. In 1000 pt. tourney i saw a guy bring 5 termies or so and a LR plus his HQ and never did get to see how he did i know he won his first game but had to leave shortly after.

Deathwing have few models, but I don't think are "competitive." Can they win games? Sure, but only the best players will be able to do so consistently, and not as much against players of equal caliber with better armies.

willydstyle wrote:Deathwing have few models, but I don't think are "competitive." Can they win games? Sure, but only the best players will be able to do so consistently, and not as much against players of equal caliber with better armies.

Deathwing struggle heavily at lower points because we can't take enough meltaguns or firepower units. A decent termy squad costs around 225 (chainfist + HF) and can get higher if you want the DWB and the Apothecary (who is necessary). Now you have to spend 130 for belial so we're up to 580 and haven't got in a LR or apothecary.

One LR jacks us up to 830 so we can't get another, so we can grab maybe 2x LS and we're done.

I say the smallest competitive army would have to be MCnids or Nob Bikers. Barring that, maybe a LR spam DH army.

At higher points taking allies from C: DH and C: WH is REALLY helpful to get extra meltaguns.

I've done pretty well with my current deathwing army, haven't lost a game with it in 2 years and my eldar friend simply won't play against it anymore. I won't lie though

I usually run it as:

Belial w/Lightning Claws
3 Terminator Squads (three chainfist, two assault cannon, one heavy flamer, sergeants have Lightning Claws) with banner and apothecary.
3 Dreadnoughts (Venerable w/Assault Cannon & Storm Bolter, Multimelta & Heavy Flamer, TL Las & Missle Launcher)
Ravenwing Squad w/Attack Bike
Whirlwind

I think it's less than 30 models in 1750, does pretty well.

Battle wagons, with mega armoured nobz and mega armoured warbosses.

Someone at the store I go to theorized a list of Space Puppies that's 1850 points and fields 13 total models...not sure if he actually made it or not, but it's still cool to think about.

I normally field 18 models at 1500pts (3 are Land Raiders) in my pure GK army; however, a friend fields only 16 models in his 1500pt 'Nid army (Nidzilla).

SJ

And again I must posit...

Nob bikers are an incredibly competitive and destructive army, and have no obliterators or land raiders.

Nob Bikers are not competetive anymore.

Smallest possible army is a space wolf army with logan grimnar an 2 squads of 3 wolf guard

Pimp them as you will

Nob Bikers are not competetive anymore.

Did the codex get errata'd? They still are the staple winning armies at my local gaming store tournaments. I have to make an army specifically to fight nob bikers to stand a chance at those tournaments and that is just dumb

Volkov wrote:

Nob Bikers are not competetive anymore.

Did the codex get errata'd? They still are the staple winning armies at my local gaming store tournaments. I have to make an army specifically to fight nob bikers to stand a chance at those tournaments and that is just dumb

No, nothing about them has been FAQed or otherwise; but people have wised up and started putting high strength blast weapons in their armies (demolishers, etc) that can instant kill a nob and get around the two wound nastiness. Now, instead of being cheese that anyone can win with, you have to actually be a decent player to make them work.

Grey Knights

Brother captain and 4 terminators

2 five man grey knight squads.

Dreadnought

2 Landraiders

around 1500


I could make a 3 raider list for this point value


The smallest LEAGLE list you can make is orks

2 big meks

2 deffdreads

Yes it is cheesy

Logan
Arjac
4 Wolf Guard [Chain Fist x1, Assault Cannon x1, Storm Shield x3, Frost Weapon x1, Storm Bolter x1, Thunder Hammer x1]
Land Raider Crusader
Njal Storm Caller
5 Wolf Guard [Power Fist x1, Heavy Flamer x1, Storm Bolter x4, Chain Fist x4]
Land Raider Redeemer
Björn

2,000 Points 15 Models
1,500 Points, 13 Models

The two big mek and two dread is the smallest possible unit count you can legaly have. I'm almost certain, the only thing is that it would be hard pressed to even make it to 500 points with that list. And it would kinda blow.

well no one said it would be good!