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I'm trying to make Fallen Dark Angels Army.
So I need information about pre-heresy dark angels.

Any one know their color?
I know they wear black armor.
How about robe?Skull-white?
How about Eagle? I think it would be gold. Golden eagle is symbol of Imperial,right?
How about trim?
and color of Chapter Symbol? Red maybe?

In Pre-Heresy Dark Angels,Death Wing is exist,right?
But no raven wing?

Fallen think Dark Angels(Chapter) are traitor,right?
Fallen are still royal to empeor right?
Cypher were in pre-heresy dark angels legion,right?

Sir Motor wrote:Any one know their color?
I know they wear black armor.
How about robe?Skull-white?
How about Eagle? I think it would be gold. Golden eagle is symbol of Imperial,right?
How about trim?
and color of Chapter Symbol? Red maybe?

Black Armor, white robes, no Aquila(only the Emperor's Children were given that privilege pre-heresy), red chapter symbol.

Sir Motor wrote:In Pre-Heresy Dark Angels,Death Wing is exist,right?
But no raven wing?

According to the HH book series, other way around. Either way, the Deathwing has always been post-heresy.

Sir Motor wrote:Fallen think Dark Angels(Chapter) are traitor,right?
Fallen are still royal to empeor right?
Cypher were in pre-heresy dark angels legion,right?

This is personal preference depending on whether you believe the older fluff(Luther lured to Chaos and convinces the others to turn traitor) or the BS that Gav Thorpe wrote in his DA book. They're going for a mix of the 2 in the HH series by stating that while Luther's Angels are choosing to betray the Emperor, they're not willingly choosing Chaos and staying loyal to the ideals of Caliban in combating Chaos. Somewhere between the 3 is the truth.

Wait, what exactly DID Gav write/say/imply/infer about this in his DA book?

Alpharius wrote:Wait, what exactly DID Gav write/say/imply/infer about this in his DA book?

He had a Fallen say that the Lion and his Angels were the traitors with Horus(hence why they and the Wolves were late to Terra) and that Luther and his Angels were the true loyalists.

Of course, the second DA HH book contradicts half of this by having Cypher convince Luther to declare Caliban independent of the Imperium and denounce his oath to the Emperor.

Thx for a lot reply. Any info about references　also welcome.

Platuan4th wrote:

Black Armor, white robes, no Aquila(only the Emperor's Children were given that privilege pre-heresy), red chapter symbol.

White robe? So differ from current dark angels one?
Is symbol same design?
No aquila? So no skull also? (BTW I would miss qauila cuz it so cool :p)

Platuan4th wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Wait, what exactly DID Gav write/say/imply/infer about this in his DA book?

He had a Fallen say that the Lion and his Angels were the traitors with Horus(hence why they and the Wolves were late to Terra) and that Luther and his Angels were the true loyalists.

Which I'm fairly sure was supposed to be taken as a misdirection on the part of the Fallen (given that they're such a tricksy bunch) rather than a change to official fluff. A surprising number of people took it as gospel, though.


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Sir Motor wrote:White robe? So differ from current dark angels one?
Is symbol same design?
No aquila? So no skull also? (BTW I would miss qauila cuz it so cool :p)

The robes could really be whatever colour you want. Either white or dark green would be fine.

The badge is the same, just red.

As stated, only Emperor's Children wore the Aquila pre-Heresy. Anything else on the chestplate is fine, although most of the older armour marks had exposed cabling on the chest anyway.

Thank you for reply.
Personally,I'm trying to get 3 novels which contain pre-heresy dark angels info. But it take long time to get. (Cuz I'm living in japan)

So skull could exist on chest. What about thier color?(No info about them I assume tho)
Is skull mark exist pre-heresy? (I thought skull is mark of emperor after his half-dead situation)

Is Chaplain exist pre-heresy?
And any info about pre-heresy and heresy-era chaplain?

Sir Motor wrote:Thank you for reply.
Personally,I'm trying to get 3 novels which contain pre-heresy dark angels info. But it take long time to get. (Cuz I'm living in japan)

So skull could exist on chest. What about thier color?(No info about them I assume tho)
Is skull mark exist pre-heresy? (I thought skull is mark of emperor after his half-dead situation)

Is Chaplain exist pre-heresy?
And any info about pre-heresy and heresy-era chaplain?

I'm not sure on the skull issue, though as was stated, most of the chestplates pre-heresy were just bare ceramite or exposed cables anyway.

Chaplains did exist Pre-Heresy according to the HH books, though I would think that in that era they spread the Imperial Truth, rather than the teachings of the Ecclesiarchy. And they would not have the Death Masks as they do now, as the Emperor was obviously very much alive back then

Heresy era Chaplains would be much the same as the above stated, and would remain so until the Ecclesiarchy became the sole recognized religious group in the Imperium.

ive been doing a fallen angels army for a while:
my personal background for them is that they are still loyal to the Emperor.
as they have been spread across space and time they are very niave and gullible, having missed out on much of the past 10,000 years. they have "allied" themselves with other Fallen angels who are trying to convert them to chaos. they fight back against the Dark Angels as they dont understand what happened, or what happened on Caliban.
(and yes, this allows me to play Chaos SPace Marines as well if i feel like it. it also allows some more interesting conversion options)
for the modelling i removed ALL symbols, purity seals. i did this very roughly so that it shows as battle damage.

Thx for reply.
I'm happy with I can add chaplain to my army.


Wraith of Ages,I'm believing almost same way currently

About Armour,Fallen could have Mark 7 "Aquila (Eagle) Armor"?
7 were developed during heresy, and Dark Angels' heresy begun after horus heresy,right?
So there is exist possibility IMO.

If they could have 7,there is possibility to having Eagle on armour?


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I found this.
http://www.thedarkfortress.co.uk/librarium/preheresy_decals.htm
Is this fun made thing?


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I'v seem some of pre-heresy dark angels trimmed with gold.
Is it background base? or just fun made?

Its from official tho.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/5/5f/El_jonson.jpg

Sir Motor wrote:Thx for reply.
I'm happy with I can add chaplain to my army.


Wraith of Ages,I'm believing almost same way currently

About Armour,Fallen could have Mark 7 "Aquila (Eagle) Armor"?
7 were developed during heresy, and Dark Angels' heresy begun after horus heresy,right?
So there is exist possibility IMO.

If they could have 7,there is possibility to having Eagle on armour?


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I found this.
http://www.thedarkfortress.co.uk/librarium/preheresy_decals.htm
Is this fun made thing?


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I'v seem some of pre-heresy dark angels trimmed with gold.
Is it background base? or just fun made?

Its from official tho.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/5/5f/El_jonson.jpg

Aquilia pattern was developed Pre-Heresy for the Emperor's Children. No other Legion was permitted to use it (With the Aquilia) at that time.

The Dark Angels would likely -not- have had Aquilia pattern at the time of their schizm, as it would've taken time for the Imperium to approve of the other Legions using MkVII

That is an unofficial Decal set that you can print off if you have Transfer Paper and a Laser Printer (Ink will run on the plastic coating)

Lexicanum isn't an official site, as their disclaimer said. Regardless, that's an image of Lion'El Johnson, the DA Primarch, and his retinue. The Gold Trim was likely exclusive to him. All images of Pre-Heresy Dark Angels that I've seen have had them painted Black with Black, White, or Red shoulder Trim. So we know the colours of three Companies at least.

Here, this should help some. It's a link to the Dark Angels entry in Lexicanum:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dark_Angels

cover it that part of your force raided a mechanicum supply ship loaded to the gills with new equipment, including MkVII and MkVIII suits, etc etc.
overused and simple but beggars cant be choosers!!!