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hey guys i've been an orky player for about 2 years now and i have shaped up my 1950pt deffskullz army, i already have all the models and dont want to be buying any more, but im after any tactics or suggestions you guys have, thanks! oh, and each unit has its unit name posted above, i copied and pasted this from my word document

Agnuk, The Lootiest Waaagh! Boss eva!
Warboss (60), Big Choppa (5), Kombi Skorcha (5), Attack Squig (15), Cybork Body (5), Warbike (40)

Wats crazier dan a squig on dem Mushies? I'll show ya!
Mad Dok Grotsnik (160)

Durgut's Ladz
19 Orks (114), Nob (10), Powerklaw (25), Cybork Bodies (95), Big Shoota (5)

Dem Little Tin Cans!
30 Gretchin (90), 3 Runt Herds (30), Cybork Bodies (160), 1 Grot Pod (5)

Orks Orks Orks
19 Orks (114), Big Shoota (5)

Agnuks U'ge Zog off Mob
10 Nobz (200), 2 Big Choppas (10), 1 Combi Skorcha (5), Waaagh Banner (15), Cybork Bodies (50), Painboy (30), Eavy Armour (50), 2 Bosspoles (10), 2 Powerklaws (50), 2 Twin-linked Shootas (10), Stikkbomz (10)

Dem for krumpin da Tanks
7 Tankbustaz (105), 2 Bomb Squigs (10), Tank Hammer (free), Nob (10), Cyobrk Bodies (35), Bosspole (5)

Zoggi'n Flying tings
3 Deffkoptas (105), 2 Buzzsaws (50), 2 Big Bomms (30)

Da bosses Duff Duff wagon
Battlewagon (90), Killkannon (60), Armour Plates (10), Grabbing Klaw (5), Zzap Gun (15), Deffrolla (20), 2 Big Shootas (10)

in total, 94 models, 23 break point, and more or less boyz get stuck in, with warboss and grotsnik, deffkoptas outflank, battlewagon drops nobz off and then pummels any infantry/tanks with either killkannon or deffrolla, gretchin provide cover as i run up/shooting support once im there, tankbusters are pretty self explanatory, and the nobz with each one differently armed will go smash the daylights outta what ever they want to or my boyz are struggling with... thats a VERY vague plan but its my basic one, it varies depending on what im versing

thoughts?
yes this is copyrighted, dont go stealing it without asking me!

i have played 15 games with it so far, and thats earnt me 13 wins and 2 draws... and i have only called waaagh twice :( sorry gork and mork! i just find id rather shoot with em seeing as i am generally close enough anyways

WAAAGH! You grot lovin' git! Call a WAAAGH! whenever you can just for fun.

Uvver den dat, dat's a good list o' boyz and grotz an' tanks. An' wot da you fink yur doin'? Playin' a deffskulls list wiv no loota gitz? Get lootaz wiv dere deffguns ta make da enemy boyz light tanks go BOOM! WAAAGH!

P.S. Basically, that means take lootas and call a WAAAGH! just for fun at the end of the game if you don't want to use it anywhere else.

True, backgroud wise you need lootas, but othersize its a good list. If you have 1950pts why not take it to 2000?? My preference would be to:

Take of the killkannon and get 10 boyz to make 1 unit of 30. Then the other unit of 20 boyz can go in the BW. Then with the trukk you bought from your spare 50pts to 2000 get a trukk to transport the nobz, the warboss and the mad dok.

But if you really dont want to buy any more models, its perfectly fine as it is.

Hmmm, i was thinking about lootas, they are pretty cool and very deffskullzy, and gives me some long range support, problem is im not wanting to hit/go over 2000pts so im not sure... as for trukk i wasnt so sure, due to low armour value, but then again maybe... as for 30 boyz yeah thats a good idea, i think a have a few more lieing around, but then again is there anything we can drop to make it lower points but as lethal? and i like that waaagh idea! hey heres me background story, tell me if you like it...

When Agnuk was only a yoof, yelling and holllering around the camp, he came accross a little white tin. he promptly picked it up, and ran back to his hut. He was found later, trying to turn it into what he called "a killy tin thing like what dat mek makes". Later that day, to Agnuk's astonishment, he found that the can could in fact, be opened through the act of removing the lid. He did so, and found it full of the warbosses blue warpaint. He gave a holler, and threw his head in, smearing it all over his body. Quckly, he found the urge to quickly "accquire" a myriad of parts, and complete his killy kan. So, he did. From squig food bowls to an old loincloth stained with blue warpaint, he dragged them back to his hut, and began work.

The next morning, he had completed what he called his "masterpiece", (a rather mis-shapen and unfortuanate looking killa kan) and quickly found a grot to test it. Proving succesful, the grot went quite power crazy, and went and killed all those orcs in the camp, and dragged Agnuks body deep into the forest. Whether days or month had passed when Agnuk next came in to consciousness, he wasnt sure, but he did know that stooping over him was an old ork dok. He sat up, to find his left arm and lower body half had been completely remade through use of cybork bits, and that a few skin drafts had almost completely covered up all evidence of these "upgrades". Agnuk was quite pleased with himself, and within the span of a year had fought his way up to be the "Biggest, Lootiest, Scariest and Toughest Boss on the planet". A myriad of orks flocked to his cause, as he proposed to them "I'm gonna wake up all you lot, and dis ere doks gonna fix ya'all up proper like me, and we's gonna leave and burninate all dose umies planets, and loot up dere fings good and proper", and this he did.

Spreading from planet to planet, Agnuk and his boys would arrive, kill, and promptly loot the planet, before bombarding it with blue orky paint bombs, made of ork roks and LOTS of blue paint, leaving entire planets bashed, bruised and blue. With the help of Grotsnik, and 30 little robot terrors he liked to compare to gretchin, he had conquered over 40 imperial planets and looted too many guns, tanks, bastions, thunder hawks and even marines to count, but this was not to be so. During a clash with daemons on the chaos ravaged planet of Mandosa, he was attacked and eaten by a huge chaos spawn. Whilst in this stomach, he had a "vizon" from Gork and Mork, after eating the spawns lower intestine, and he learnt that his true calling was not to continue looting imperial planets. He grabbed, clawed, and wormed his way back out the beasts throat, and with a blur of his choppa carved a hole in its belly. He ran back to his boyz, and quickly he gathered all the Best, Biggest and Toughest (or bluest) of his boys, He left with Grotsnik and made for the imperial hive world of Armageddon, with a single purpose in mind. To loot the planet before the rest of his boys knew what was going on!

Well, seems a few other tribes had thought the same thing, but that didnt stop him, and quickly he "aqquired" a snakebites Wartrakk, and slowly taking form, along came "Dakka Dakka Bang Bang" his warbike. Realising there was plenty to loot, and almost too much for himself to do alone, he sent Grotsnik back to his Deffskullz, to bring em in, and that he did, as each day hundreds more of his Deffskullz make planetfall, in hope of aqquiring their own lootie things. Agnuk had found his calling, and it fitted him well.

Using all those points to cybork grots is a big waste. My opinion, but using the mad docs special rule on grots is a waste. I can take a ful squad of boyz for 160 points. I'm not saying grots are a waste, I'm saying super grots are a waste. Giving each one the upgrade makes them more points than a boy, and a 5+ invulnerable save doesn't warent taking them over a boy considering they don't do much damage. My BA assualt squads would make quick work of them. Ultimatley I would probably ignore them and let my Baal predator take care of them. Forgive me for not reading your whole lengthy post I have ADD. So I'm sure you have a purpose behind it. Funny yes a waste yes. squad of 20 ard boyz with cybork no thats good en Killey

yeah gretchin is a bit of a waste, and nah i wont throw them the dok, and i reckon the 5+ invin is better than the 4+ armour, as you et it all the time rather than against everything bar ap4 or lower and power weapons, i reckon the invun is better, yeah ill probably drop gretchins bodies... dunno ill see how they go!

On the one hand, I think there's a lot of composition problems, some inefficient units, and a general lack of theme and cohesiveness.

On the other hand, cybork grots are original and funny, and even the haphazard list you've posted here reeks of tender care, thought, and attention....and I'm loathe to try pushing someone in a different direction when they've worked so hard on their stuff.

Is there any reason you chose 1,950? Do people around you play games like that? 1500, 1750, 1850, and 2500 are pretty common point levels, with a smattering of 1000, 1250, 2000, and other stuff in there too. If you have a particular point level in mind it would be easier to help you make a list.

well, honestly, it was a 750pt list, which grew to 1000, which grew to 1500, then 1750, then 1950, so im thinking a few lists, 750, 1000, 1200, 1500, 1750, 2000, im not sure :S what do you think i need to swap around in it though?

Well, before I tell you what I think you should shift around....lemme ask you this:

What kind of orks do you want to play? How do you like playing? What's your goal when you play?

If I were to answer that question, I would say this: "I like being atrociously dead killy. My goal is to gleefully smash into my enemy and krump them until theyz dead. I don't care about objectives so much, I just want to mix it up and whip someone."

My list is a reflection of that. Its fast so that I can get into combat as soon as possible to do the aforementioned krumping. If the game is objective based, being fast lets me deal with that at the end of the game so that I can spend the whole game except for the last turn or so just krumping.

What about you? What do YOU want to do?

Ok, i like getting the orks up and smashing the daylights outta stuff, but work on the objectives on the same time, like objective based ones i'd send em all up and get stuck in, and about 2 turns before game end make a run for the objectives, or in kill points get stuck in as early as i can. but i always want to make sure i am having fun!

Thats a good plan, i think that will work well for an ork army

I would recomend a Mek Ork List then, to me they seem to be able to get "stuck in" at the soonest possible oportunity.

I say no to your killkannon, also a tankhammer is not free, cut a single grot and a single rutherd, you maximise points that way, I vote no to grot prods, unless you want to kill MC, in that case give all rutherds them, or there is little reason.

im not too keen on the meks list, as it would mean making a few changes to keep the theme right and i dont wanna have to go change it all, and besides foot slogging im generally in combat 2nd/3rd turn...

Howcome no to the killkannon?
the tank hammers free, up to two in the squad may replace their rokkit launchas with tank hammers, yeah ill drop grotpods, and i lke that idea for dropping a single runtherd and grot... maybe im not sure

i did take the list thingy though, i wrote up a 750, 1000, 1200, 1500 and 1750pt army lists for em, and i am gonna make one 2000 pt one, with the addition of my looted wagons XD

anyways why no to the killkannon?

No killkannon because it cuts your transport ability almost in half, you CANT shoot if you roll "don't press that," and its about as good as a shoota when hitting things. not cost effective IMO. Looted wagons are better as transports.

Tankhammers come at the oppertunity cost. you can shoot tanks, or hit them. if you take hammers thats less rockets you are shooting every round from a safe distance, or while you close the distance running at the tank. you might even kill it on the way there witht the extra rockets you shoot. the point cost might be "free" but the cost is at the price of ranged shots

battlewagons dont have doont press that, and i dont need the twenty man transport capacity cause the tankbusters are going in it, and its way better than a shoota! im not using the battlewagon as a transport, really, just to take the tankbusters around, and if you have a boarding plank and you drive past a tank, 3 st10 attacks on whatever armour face you can see! and besides, 6 rockits a turn is averaging 2 hits anyway, its easier to effectively guess what i will be doing each turn that way IMO

Wow i have no idea why i thought you meant Looted Wagon, sorry about that.

On a BW that sounds like a good plan, i would take it if i were you.

Killkannon is going to slow you down if you want to fire it, and if they get a weapon destroyed kiss it goodbye first. Plus as you only have the one wagon it is a big juicy lascannon attractor. All that Killkannon does is make it a bigger chuck of your army eliminated on turn 1.

ahha thats cool Kaltak, you can still move and fire it tho, just not as ordnance barrage, and besides i dont plan on moving it much XD

and also, im not too fussed on las cannons, av14 is pretty hard, and tere will be stuff in front giving me a cover save, so im confident it will last me at least half the game