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So after looking over my chaos list a few times my friend suggested I try making a DE list and compare to two for this tourney this week. We cannot use special charecters, which neuters my Archons squad (no drazhar :( ), but no worries! If my order comes in before the tourney I'll have 1 more raider and 5 more incubi. So for now, heres my list:

HQ
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Archon 156 pts
-Animus Vitae
- Punisher
- Shadow Field
- Tormentor Helm
- Drugs
- Trophy Rack
- Plasma Grenades
6x Incubi Retinue 162 pts
- Grenades
3x warriors 30 pts
- grenades
Mounted in raider w/ torture amp 65 pts

Dracon 96 pts
- Punisher
- Drugs
- Tormentor Helm
- trophy Rack
- Plasma Grenades
- Hell Mask
Will be attached to my 9 man wych squad

Elites
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9x wyches 181 pts
- Succubus w/ Agonizer, Trophy Rack
- Plasma Grenades, Wych Weapons
- 2x Blaster
Mounted in raider w/ Horrorfex, torture amp 70 pts

8x Wyches 159 pts
- Succubus w/ Agonizer, Trophy Rack
- Plasma Grenades, Wych Weapons on squad
- 2x Shredder
Mounted in raider w/ Horrorfex, torture amp 70 pts

8x Wyches 159 pts
- Succubus w/ Agonizer, Trophy Rack
- Grenades, Wych Weapons
- 2x Shredder
Mounted in raider w/ Horrorfex, torture amp 70 pts

Fast Attack
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3x reaver jetbikes 95 pts
- 2x blasters

3x reaver jetbikes 95 pts
- 2x blasters

Troops
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10x warriors 100 pts
- 2x Dark Lance

10x warriors 100 pts
- 2x dark lance

10x warriors 100 pts
- 2x dark lance

Tank Hunters 170 pts
- 1x splinter cannon, 1x blaster
- 10x warriors, 1 sybarite w/ agonizer and pistol
- raider, torture amps

Raider Squad 105 pts
- 1x dark lance
- 5x warriors
- raider

Raider Squad 105 pts
- 5x warriors
- Dark Lance
- raider

heavy Support
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3x Ravagers 405 pts
- 2x disintigrators, 1x dark lance each
- Night Shields

Strategic Notes: The first 10 man wych squad will hang back in cover, they're my anti-assault squad, helping kill off anything that outflanks over by my sniper warrior squads (genestealers, space wolf scouts, etc.) Dark warrior squads... well, they sniper stuff. I made them large so they need to take more firepower before morale (and also more bodies to soak up before my dark lances). The raider squads float around until they find cover to drop their snipers in, then they blow up vehicles or pin squads, depending on what I need (turn 5 pinning troops is always fun). ravagers are anti-infintry, but being as this is a tourney (with tons of mech) I swapped 1 disintigrator on each for a dark lance. This allows my ravagers to switch roles. Plasma cannons can blow up tanks, but lances are far more reliable! my archon and dracon are kitted to the teeth to destroy. The dracon runs in with a wych squad thats equipped for anti-infintry. One wych squad is equipped to blow up vehicles (never know when you'll need it). The reaver jetbikes were filler points, but they're going to be a tank hunter squad as well.

Essentially my game plan is as follows; blow up mech 1st/2nd turn. Get wyches and archon to the front. By T3/T4 I should have the board thoroughly controlled in most cases, as long as the dice don't hate me!

C&C is much needed, and please, I don't have anymore raiders (god I wish I did) so please no "get more raiders!". If I could I'd run the 10 raiders I want for this list, now wouldn't that be imposing!

Woohoo now i know what stuff to nuke with my 3 leman russ' and which vehicles to make splody with my exorsists! ;p

nethaniellovesthorpe wrote:Woohoo now i know what stuff to nuke with my 3 leman russ' and which vehicles to make splody with my exorsists! ;p

eat dark lance douchebot! *highfive*

haha! yea! I am not done with my list yet but im thinking alot of vehicles are going to be present and im going to sacrifice those inquisitor squads for other elites and maybe some more fast attack.

nethaniellovesthorpe wrote:haha! yea! I am not done with my list yet but im thinking alot of vehicles are going to be present and im going to sacrifice those inquisitor squads for other elites and maybe some more fast attack.

Yeah, lots of mech will be running around. anti-tanks the way to go this tourney! There may be an orc player or two, maybe 1 nids, but a TON of marines. Load up those meltas and lascannons pilgrim!

Yea too bad my damn army doesnt have lascannons unless I take sentinals or a land raider. How much do land raiders cost by the way cause I am getting some money today and can probably buy one and load my canoness in it.

nethaniellovesthorpe wrote:Yea too bad my damn army doesnt have lascannons unless I take sentinals or a land raider. How much do land raiders cost by the way cause I am getting some money today and can probably buy one and load my canoness in it.

$50, before taxes or any discount you get. I suggest going to Tall Tales (wyoming and Lomas) with cash, you'll get like 15% off!

oh yea! sweet i forgot they are under new mngment. anyways i g2g ill tty later ill be on

It's a shame Dark Eldar kinda peak off past 1,750 points. I mean you can fill out an entire FO chart with quite a nasty force around 2k: and i'm talking about maxing out the ruthlessness with 5 troops in each unit and all in Raiders! (Dracon + Incubi, 3XHaemonc + Dest, 6XRaider Squads w/lance + shredder, 3XWych Squads + 2 Shredders, 3XRavagers w/triple dissy, 3XReaver Jetbikes w/ 2 of whatever).

Not sure about Nightshields in a 2.5k army because chances are all the opponents AT will be long range, unless you come against an army reliant on melta weapons. So it's 15/20 points on a few skimmers to make sure your opponent fires his shorter range stuff at your other Raiders instead.
Rather than Trophy Racks everywhere it might be worth taking Torture Amps especially on a couple of units getting into your opponents face. Not only for causing morale checks but for bunching up opponents together for nice blast radius damage!

Probably worth sticking to triple Dissy for at least 2 of those Ravagers. Triple Plasma Cannon is pure filth at taking out marine/terminator squads... and they will become your reliable anti-elite blast weapons, made much better by having 3 rather than 2 because chances are 1 will probably scatter off. Plus when opponents get close being able to move up to 12" and then hit them with 12 Str 4 AP 3 shots is super sexy.

Not sure where all your points are being drained away but 10 Wyches in a squad is a bit over kill. If you are going to tarpit then 6-8 do the job just as well and are probably still going to win combat. 10 in a squad increased chances you kill the squad on the turn you charge... which is terrible because you then have a 170pts out in the open with T3 and a 6+ save. Take off some of the excess wargear as well... a lot of overlapping on things that aren't really terribly useful. With points saved get a Raider for that Wych Squad, even if you don't deploy them in it you get an extra lance and a handy empty Raider to obscured your other vehicles in turn 1. Alternatively if your playing someone with lots of tanks you can use it to turbo 24" on turn 1 right infront of your opponents tanks. Forces them to difficultly navigate around it or give you 4+ obscured saves on things behind it. An if they wreck it then it's dangerous terrain right in their lines that potentially will immobilise them.

If you need further anti tank you should easily be able to save up 190pts from other places in your list to take 2 more Reaver squads with double blasters Slides you into having a maxed FO as well.

Messiah2k02 wrote:It's a shame Dark Eldar kinda peak off past 1,750 points. I mean you can fill out an entire FO chart with quite a nasty force around 2k: and i'm talking about maxing out the ruthlessness with 5 troops in each unit and all in Raiders! (Dracon + Incubi, 3XHaemonc + Dest, 6XRaider Squads w/lance + shredder, 3XWych Squads + 2 Shredders, 3XRavagers w/triple dissy, 3XReaver Jetbikes w/ 2 of whatever).

Not sure about Nightshields in a 2.5k army because chances are all the opponents AT will be long range, unless you come against an army reliant on melta weapons. So it's 15/20 points on a few skimmers to make sure your opponent fires his shorter range stuff at your other Raiders instead.
Rather than Trophy Racks everywhere it might be worth taking Torture Amps especially on a couple of units getting into your opponents face. Not only for causing morale checks but for bunching up opponents together for nice blast radius damage!

Probably worth sticking to triple Dissy for at least 2 of those Ravagers. Triple Plasma Cannon is pure filth at taking out marine/terminator squads... and they will become your reliable anti-elite blast weapons, made much better by having 3 rather than 2 because chances are 1 will probably scatter off. Plus when opponents get close being able to move up to 12" and then hit them with 12 Str 4 AP 3 shots is super sexy.

Not sure where all your points are being drained away but 10 Wyches in a squad is a bit over kill. If you are going to tarpit then 6-8 do the job just as well and are probably still going to win combat. 10 in a squad increased chances you kill the squad on the turn you charge... which is terrible because you then have a 170pts out in the open with T3 and a 6+ save. Take off some of the excess wargear as well... a lot of overlapping on things that aren't really terribly useful. With points saved get a Raider for that Wych Squad, even if you don't deploy them in it you get an extra lance and a handy empty Raider to obscured your other vehicles in turn 1. Alternatively if your playing someone with lots of tanks you can use it to turbo 24" on turn 1 right infront of your opponents tanks. Forces them to difficultly navigate around it or give you 4+ obscured saves on things behind it. An if they wreck it then it's dangerous terrain right in their lines that potentially will immobilise them.

If you need further anti tank you should easily be able to save up 190pts from other places in your list to take 2 more Reaver squads with double blasters Slides you into having a maxed FO as well.

as I said before, I have maxed out how many raiders I have. Unless I take out a raider squad and make it a normal warrior squad. I didn't think of amps, I'll look into it. Night shields are AWESOME against Orcs and nids, and also great vs meltas (which are prevalent in this area). As well, I have the points, may as well spend em! I know 10 man wych squads are overkill, but honestly, not much else I can do with em :( And yeah, i had issues coming up with the other 500 points over my normal list. I agree with trip dissies, but honestly, I really need anti-tank as I have a feeling I'll be running into more land raiders than I care to deal with (and 1 players black templar). So 2 dissies each should be good enough, 6 plasma cannons is enough to kill a termi or normal troop squad or two a turn.

If I had more raiders I could make this army far more sick and disgusting, but 5 raiders is REALLY limiting...

Zid wrote:

nethaniellovesthorpe wrote:Yea too bad my damn army doesnt have lascannons unless I take sentinals or a land raider. How much do land raiders cost by the way cause I am getting some money today and can probably buy one and load my canoness in it.

$50, before taxes or any discount you get. I suggest going to Tall Tales (wyoming and Lomas) with cash, you'll get like 15% off!

Land Raiders are $57.50 retail these days.Back on track.

List looks good, but other then then it could use some more raiders, which i know you said you dont have. A Talos might be something to take all the fire the first turn or two and might buy the fragile raiders/ravagers some time to move in for the kill

whalemusic360 wrote:

Zid wrote:

nethaniellovesthorpe wrote:Yea too bad my damn army doesnt have lascannons unless I take sentinals or a land raider. How much do land raiders cost by the way cause I am getting some money today and can probably buy one and load my canoness in it.

$50, before taxes or any discount you get. I suggest going to Tall Tales (wyoming and Lomas) with cash, you'll get like 15% off!

Land Raiders are $57.50 retail these days.Back on track.

List looks good, but other then then it could use some more raiders, which i know you said you dont have. A Talos might be something to take all the fire the first turn or two and might buy the fragile raiders/ravagers some time to move in for the kill

talos are cool and all but I think missing the firepower of a ravager would be painful

Well instead why not take 1 triple Dark Lance ravager... which averages out a glance/pen on any Armour 12+ vehicle. Then keep your triple Dissy Ravagers for mass killing what falls out. I usually get way more use and punishment out of my 2 triple Dissy ones than my 2 Dis/1 DL mixed.

Well if you are playing Nightshield find the points to put it on all your Raiders. No point in doing the job half hearted. They are only 15pts for the Raiders and it will mean if melta is used a lot by opponents then you are stopping them shooting rather than just redirecting their shots onto things without them.

Oh and sorry for not seeing the Raider bit at the end... mind was already running away mid way through reading the game plan...

If i remember correctly you are allowed a Warp Beast squad per Wych that doesn't count to FO chart... and they can be mounted on Raiders as well? *grins* Shame you don't have 14 Raiders because that would be hilarious (I never really get to play at that sort of points level), but 17 skimmers ftw.

Messiah2k02 wrote:Well instead why not take 1 triple Dark Lance ravager... which averages out a glance/pen on any Armour 12+ vehicle. Then keep your triple Dissy Ravagers for mass killing what falls out. I usually get way more use and punishment out of my 2 triple Dissy ones than my 2 Dis/1 DL mixed.

Well if you are playing Nightshield find the points to put it on all your Raiders. No point in doing the job half hearted. They are only 15pts for the Raiders and it will mean if melta is used a lot by opponents then you are stopping them shooting rather than just redirecting their shots onto things without them.

Oh and sorry for not seeing the Raider bit at the end... mind was already running away mid way through reading the game plan...

If i remember correctly you are allowed a Warp Beast squad per Wych that doesn't count to FO chart... and they can be mounted on Raiders as well? *grins* Shame you don't have 14 Raiders because that would be hilarious (I never really get to play at that sort of points level), but 17 skimmers ftw.

Its only in a wych army that you get 1 warp beat pack per wych squad I wish it was for an archon army too! I'd totally field all my beasts!

Anywho, I modified the list some. I took night shields off the raiders and left em on the ravagers. And the reason I split the 3 DL's is because if I take care of a vehicle, I can target different ones (as well, the trip DL ravager will get pwnafied early if theres only one, people hate lances!). I also took one raider and threw it with my last squad o wyches, so I can bum rush them while my snipers take down the mech

Yea there is going to be alot of melta and heavy armour at this game, Jess alone has 2 land raiders and that friggin templar guy has like 4. Which is RIDICULOUS if he is running them cause that is 1000pts alone. And since there is going to be some heavy armour im dropping my penitent engines and putting in another exorcist because they are awesome at dropping termies and armour 14. Also too bad wych armies are banned now.

nethaniellovesthorpe wrote:Yea there is going to be alot of melta and heavy armour at this game, Jess alone has 2 land raiders and that friggin templar guy has like 4. Which is RIDICULOUS if he is running them cause that is 1000pts alone. And since there is going to be some heavy armour im dropping my penitent engines and putting in another exorcist because they are awesome at dropping termies and armour 14. Also too bad wych armies are banned now.

Wych armys suck anyway, and if derek plays his templar... well, it wont be fun to say the least. The other BT guy only has one LR which doesn't worry me. Either way, running 4 LR would make his list so small any good marine army would tool him (land speeders are great for anti-armor). not to mention he'd have to buy the upgrades like blessed hull, and he probably isn't expecting a DE or eldar player (we only have 3 eldar players total at the shop, and I'm the only DE player)

Ok, I went to the store yesterday and they had some raiders! yay! so beefed the list up some;

- replaced 2 warrior squads w/ raider squad and melee tank hunting squad of warriors. Took out extra warriors in all my squads.
- added 3 warriors to my archons squad. Yes, its extra bodies that die easily, but rather than allocate power weapon swings to my incubi I'd rather do em on the warriors!
- took out 1 wych in 2 squads for a torture amp on my tank hunter squads raider

i believe the list is a bit more flushed out, and in the process I only lost 1 dark lance which is not too shabby!

The more I read DE lists, and general fluff about them, the more I want to play them. The only thing keeping me from them is they boned codex, its 11 years old I believe, I mean c'mon.

When they get re-released, they will be my second army after Traitor Guard.

Just can't keep my hands off the Dark Elves.

Karon wrote:The more I read DE lists, and general fluff about them, the more I want to play them. The only thing keeping me from them is they boned codex, its 11 years old I believe, I mean c'mon.

When they get re-released, they will be my second army after Traitor Guard.

Just can't keep my hands off the Dark Elves.

Despite being extremely out of date, they are a formidable force! I mean at 2500 I almost filled my force org up lol... and they have one of the best HQ's in the game, and hes not even named!

I'll simply mumble for the most part and point at Messiah's commentary.

I will, however, note that if you're going to be adding a Drachon why not just make him a Drachite? You already have the Archon to make you a Kabal and for 10 points you get a better initiative and the invulnerable save in close combat.

Thor665 wrote:I'll simply mumble for the most part and point at Messiah's commentary.

I will, however, note that if you're going to be adding a Drachon why not just make him a Drachite? You already have the Archon to make you a Kabal and for 10 points you get a better initiative and the invulnerable save in close combat.

Too little too late lol.

I went 2 wins/1 tie, taking all secondary objectives todays tourney. Netted me 2nd out of 20 people after tie breakers! all in all a successful venture for the dark eldar

Woo Good for you.
Well done.

Aww... I had to go early so I dont think I got anything. Who got 1st though?