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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/09/administration-warns-command-control-regulation-emissions/

Administration Warns of 'Command-and-Control' Regulation Over Emissions

FOXNews.com

The Obama administration is warning Congress that if it doesn't move to regulate greenhouse gases, the Environmental Protection Agency will take a "command-and-control" role over the process in way that could hurt business.


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EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson gestures during a briefing in the U.S. center at the Climate Conference in Copenhagen Dec. 9. (AP Photo)
The Obama administration is warning Congress that if it doesn't move to regulate greenhouse gases, the Environmental Protection Agency will take a "command-and-control" role over the process in a way that could hurt business.

The warning, from a top White House economic official who spoke Tuesday on condition of anonymity, came on the eve of EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson's address to the international conference on climate change in Copenhagen, Denmark.

Jackson, however, tried to strike a tone of cooperation in her address Wednesday, explaining that the EPA's new powers to regulate greenhouse gases will be used to complement legislation pending in Congress, not replace it.

"This is not an 'either-or' moment. It's a 'both-and' moment," she said.

But while administration officials have long said they prefer Congress take action on climate change, the economic official who spoke with reporters Tuesday night made clear that the EPA will not wait and is prepared to act on its own.

And it won't be pretty.

"If you don't pass this legislation, then ... the EPA is going to have to regulate in this area," the official said. "And it is not going to be able to regulate on a market-based way, so it's going to have to regulate in a command-and-control way, which will probably generate even more uncertainty."

Climate change legislation that passed the House is stuck in the Senate, but the EPA finding Monday was seen as a boost to the U.S. delegation in Denmark trying to convince other countries that Washington is capable of taking action to follow through with any global commitments.

The economic official explained that congressional action could be better for the economy, since it would provide "compensation" for higher energy prices, especially for small businesses dealing with those higher energy costs. Otherwise, the official warned that the kind of "uncertainty" generated by unilateral EPA action would be a huge "deterrent to investment," in an economy already desperate for jobs.

"So, passing the right kind of legislation with the right kind of compensations seems to us to be the best way to reduce uncertainty and actually to encourage investment," the official said.

Republicans fear that the EPA will ultimately end up stepping in to regulate emissions -- though many oppose the congressional legislation as well. They had urged Jackson to withdraw the finding in light of leaked e-mails from a British research center that appeared to show scientists discussing the manipulation of climate data.

Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., ranking Republican on the House Select Committee for Energy Independence and Global Warming, said Tuesday he is going to attend the Copenhagen conference to inform world leaders that despite any promises made by President Obama, no new laws will be passed in the United States until the "scientific fascism" ends.

"I call it 'scientific fascism,'" Sensenbrenner said during a press conference with fellow climate change skeptics. Sensenbrenner said, "The U.N. should throw a red flag" on scientists who support global warming to the exclusion of dissent.

Administration officials, though, said the e-mails do not change the debate.

Former Vice President Al Gore, a leader in the movement on man-caused climate change, told CNN on Wednesday that the e-mails in questions were 10 years old and taken "out of context."

Fox News' Major Garrett and The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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>>Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., ranking Republican on the House Select Committee for Energy Independence and Global Warming, said Tuesday he is going to attend the Copenhagen conference to inform world leaders that despite any promises made by President Obama, no new laws will be passed in the United States until the "scientific fascism" ends.

>>"I call it 'scientific fascism,'" Sensenbrenner said during a press conference with fellow climate change skeptics. Sensenbrenner said, "The U.N. should throw a red flag" on scientists who support global warming to the exclusion of dissent.

It's unusual to find a Republican senator who has much use for the UN.

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Having the stick of the EPA actually stepping up and doing something sounds kind of good to me. It's an incentive for Congress to find a more business-friendly solution, not just to stall or ignore it.

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If the EPA wants to do this, I wish them luck in finding Congressional funding for their little crusade.

And if they misappropriate funding, well... That'll be their jobs on the line.


OTOH, if they want to do something useful, why don't they try to ban tobacco?

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cos banning meat would be more effective?
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Frazzled wrote:"I call it 'scientific fascism,'" Sensenbrenner said during a press conference with fellow climate change skeptics.


He doesn't know what fascism, but he's a nutter and they never understand fascism (or socialism, or capitalism...). He doesn't seem to know what science is though, and that's a little more worrying.

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endless wrote:cos banning meat would be more effective?
or Texas?

You can't ban Texas. We own the USA.

ITs a threat by the administration. i love Chicago politics. Push this and in 2010 the EPA is going to get a nasty budget surprise.

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I love texas. get rid of Alaska. We dont need them.

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I'm just getting a weird vibe from this. It seems to me like a blatant power grab by the EPA. Gaining the ability to regulate CO2 will let them sink their claws into... well everything. It'd require a major increase in the budget and funding along with a lot of hiring new people on in order to make it work. You'd have to increase the EPA's budget fifty percent, maybe double it or even more to have a snowball's chance of actually enforcing any regulations they passed.

I realize that in the end Congress could just not fund them any extra for it, and likely wouldn't purely from spite because the EPA stole their thunder, still, weird vibe.


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garret wrote:I love texas. get rid of Alaska. We dont need them.

Manifest destiny baby. We need Alaska so when we invade Canada with massed Girl Scouts, we can hit them with a pincer movement. Within the first two hours your have to parachute in brownies over Calgary to secure the oil industry.

Thats wrong thinking. We need to annex Cuba actually. Have you seen Miami Beach-thats where they grow them!


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Tyyr wrote:I'm just getting a weird vibe from this. It seems to me like a blatant power grab by the EPA. Gaining the ability to regulate CO2 will let them sink their claws into... well everything. It'd require a major increase in the budget and funding along with a lot of hiring new people on in order to make it work. You'd have to increase the EPA's budget fifty percent, maybe double it or even more to have a snowball's chance of actually enforcing any regulations they passed.

I realize that in the end Congress could just not fund them any extra for it, and likely wouldn't purely from spite because the EPA stole their thunder, still, weird vibe.

If the EPA tries to regulate C02, buy fiat they literally control every aspect of every US citizen's life. The power grab is way more than a mere play to increase their budget.

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Like working inmanufatcuring! Forget it punk!
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Empchild wrote:(english is what amish folk call all non amish so no this is not an attack against english people themselves)

Yes thank you for that explanation. It's not everyday someone makes a joke then murders it in the same post.

If the EPA tries to regulate C02, buy fiat they literally control every aspect of every US citizen's life. The power grab is way more than a mere play to increase their budget.

Like barbeque? Forget it punk!
Like working inmanufatcuring! Forget it punk!
Like electricity? Forget it punk!

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Exactly. Via the new "skynet program" our scientists are working to come up with a global permanent solution to CO2 emissions...

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I would be more worried about their control over your breathing if I were you.

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I think you're missing the skynet reference

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Exactly. I am just concerned for you humans er, the rest of you gamer types.

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Frazzled wrote:i love politics. Push this and in 2010 nothing will happen.


Fixed that for you. The 2010 budget will be passed long before the midterm elections.

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Incorrect Dogma. You're assuming their 2010. I'm, assuming all their budgets thereafter. When a government agency picks a side it will be the severe loser the next time around.

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