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So yesterday was the anniversary of the murder of John Lennon. He was without doubt, one of the finest songwriters of all time and will surely be remembered as long as 'Popular Music' exists. Like everyone he had his faults, but he genuinely tried to spread peace. For a while it looked like he might even succeed.
Out of respect to the dead, I will refrain from my normal comments on the departed...
DR:80+S(GT)G++M++B-I++Pwmhd05#+D+++A+++/sWD-R++T(Ot)DM+ How is it they live in such harmony - the billions of stars - when most men can barely go a minute without declaring war in their minds about someone they know.
- St. Thomas Aquinas
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People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
chromedog wrote:What kind of god is responsible for that?
Yo.
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I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
Similar in what way? John Lennon was a skinny british megastar with milions of adoring fans - Mark Chapman was American, and a fat loser with no friends. He robbed the world of one of it's greatest talents, purely to make a name for himself. He is scum.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
endless wrote:erm, well, how did Lennon treat his first wife and child?
Well.I've read alligations of abuse on lennons part,as well as alligations of anti-semitism and homosexaulality,and even if all these alligations are true,it dosn't make Chapman any less pathetic.
And IIRC Chapman was married.
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I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
endless wrote:How is Chapman pathetic and Lennon not. At least Chapman took responsibility for his behavior.
How did Chapman take responsibilty for his behavior? By sitting around reading "Catcher in the rye" over the body of the man he gunned down until the police showed up?
Chapman had,on several occasions made statements to friends and family that he had thoughts about killing Lennon,did he seek help? No,he stalked the man and fired 5 bullets into his back.
That dosn't sound very "responsible" to me.
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I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
They didn't/don't care for his politics so they don't like him therefor he was really a monster that fools think was a good man is what they are really trying to say. Basically they decided to come into an 'in memoriam' thread and go all Fred Phelps on us. Tossing accusation with little to back it up, like homosexual, or picking on him for human faults, like getting a divorce and not being around as much as he should have. No one has claimed he was a saint or that he never erred. He was an imperfect guy who wrote some wonderful songs that was shot down in cold blood.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
How did Chapman take responsibilty for his behavior? By sitting around reading "Catcher in the rye" over the body of the man he gunned down until the police showed up?
"Those three hours later were really great, because I was able really – it was like a confession almost. I was able to accept my responsibility in this for probably the first real time, and I told him I didn't deserve anything."
He was an imperfect guy who wrote some songs and who was then shot down in cold blood.
I'm quite sure he's regretting penning "happiness is a warm gun", too.
Wasn't a fan of Lennon (or the beatles - either in the mop-top days or the later hippy period) as a musician and as a person I didn't know him.
Alhough I was at school on the day it happened, and the teachers all stopped and some cried, it meant nothing to me and still doesn't.
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
chromedog wrote:I'm quite sure he's regretting penning "happiness is a warm gun", too.
Probably not since it is supposed to be ironic. It is also not about a literal gun.
I didn't know him personally either but I do have a little thing called empathy. Whether or not one liked the Beatles or their solo projects doesn't change the major impact they had/still have on music.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Sadly, the Beatles main impact on music was making the suits realize just how much money could be made out of well promoted but thoroughly average pop music, leading to the sorry state we have now where the people who actually write the music get comparatively little but the shops/managers/label owners become amazingly rich.
I don't want to be-little JL's death, it's sad when any member of the human race is killed for no reason. I just don't really care more about his death than say Charles de Menezes.
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Gwar! wrote:Debate it all you want, I just report what the rules actually say. It's up to others to tie their panties in a Knot. I stopped caring long ago.
J.Black wrote:Sadly, the Beatles main impact on music was making the suits realize just how much money could be made out of well promoted but thoroughly average pop music, leading to the sorry state we have now where the people who actually write the music get comparatively little but the shops/managers/label owners become amazingly rich.
You could look at it like that, or you could talk about how not much has changed at all... for, going on a decade. To merit JL and the Beatles as an entity that transformed the industry, is to forget the fact, that beyond them the plan was already there. Like any other business, you sink or freaking swim. No questions, no answers, just profits.
Nothing has changed about the 'music industry', besides the fact that people are tired of paying (in these current decades mind you) ridiculous amounts of money for gak. Lady GaGa is nice and all, but if that is what the Beatles have to be proud of, well... fecking fail-sauce... The music industry is not anything but which it has always been; a business. You make a brand, and you sell that brand; how you do it, is 'entirely up to you'. 'Meaning', you do the work, and you work until you drop, and then; only then, do you hope to maintain your brand beyond that which your label can control. Not complicated, just a lot of hard work, and a tremendous amount of connections.
One of the most influential, inspiring, talented and beloved icons of all time. He helped define a generation's music, culture, politics, and attitude. That era especially for the USA was the closest we've come to a revolution; his untimely death a tragic and ironic mark in modern history.
I'm not trying to make out that the Beatles single-handedly made the music industry the horror show it is today, just that that was their biggest contribution.
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Gwar! wrote:Debate it all you want, I just report what the rules actually say. It's up to others to tie their panties in a Knot. I stopped caring long ago.
Ahtman wrote:
I didn't know him personally either but I do have a little thing called empathy.
That's where we differ then.
I'm not particularly empathetic towards my fellow man, either.
I must have something of this quality, though else my wife would not have agreed to our union.
I can't empathise with a dead hippy though.
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
One of the most influential, inspiring, talented and beloved icons of all time. He helped define a generation's music, culture, politics, and attitude. That era especially for the USA was the closest we've come to a revolution; his untimely death a tragic and ironic mark in modern history.
J.Black wrote:I'm not trying to make out that the Beatles single-handedly made the music industry the horror show it is today, just that that was their biggest contribution.
As with a plethora of other pop musicians that did/do the exact same thing, as has been the case for a very, very, very long time. Business is simple, and it relies on the fact that things are profitable. Hearing Jazz musicians complain about the Beatles taking their 'scene' makes me chuckle, but that does not mean it isn't true; nor is it not still based on straight up business. The Beatles were a product/brand, as was JL, so oh well.
Please continue with this Lady GaGA, please...
RIP all those have deceased, regardless of iconic representation of a rather fictitious ideal.
chromedog wrote:I'm not particularly empathetic towards my fellow man, either.
Neither, am I, particularly empathetic, to my, fellow, man... BUT!!! (listen to that typing... mmmm....) I do like trees, and whales and puppies though. But the only raisin I added this, it to point out your particularly odd punctuation (Dan Rather what?), and stuff...
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To call them hippies shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the Beatles. Goerge Harrison went to Haight Ashbury to hang out with hippies because it was being touted as a groovy scene. His only comment on it was that they all smelled bad and didn't do anything but sit around.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Wrexasaur wrote:
As with a plethora of other pop musicians that did/do the exact same thing, as has been the case for a very, very, very long time.
QFT
The Beatles were never special.
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Gwar! wrote:Debate it all you want, I just report what the rules actually say. It's up to others to tie their panties in a Knot. I stopped caring long ago.
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John Lennon was a skinny british megastar with milions of adoring fans - Mark Chapman was American, and a fat loser with no friends. He robbed the world of one of it's greatest talents, purely to make a name for himself. He is scum.
Ok,you've lost me,not sure what point your trying to convey 
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