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When I go down to my far-off store, I still see a tonne of SM players using scouts as cannon fodder.

This really upsets me.

Despite my signature, and despite their lower statistics, Scouts are some of the most versatile units in the game.

For example, a SM Tactica can have a basic mid-range attack at best. (12"-24" + Heavy weapon).

An entire scout squad can have a maximum range of 36"-48".

And when armed with Hbolters, they take down infantry all the easier.

Scout space marines have this incessant ability to shoot on a 4+, which, even for a SM is pretty good.

Armed with a sniper, they become the driving force to hold those orks down for the precious moment while a better squad has a chance to run away.

So, next time your taking out your scouts, don't think -sigh,- maw kannon fodduh faw da orkz.

Wooooow SCOUT YEAHHH!!!!!!! nah but in all serousness i have atleast 2 squad of them for both my blood ravens and crimsom fists, I reallyyyy love shot guns fun as.

I thought this would be a reminder about Sniper Scouts. Both me and my opponents have forgotten about them even being on the table many times

I recently had a couple of games where I outflanked with the tiny unit of sniper scouts that I took to make up points. I was surprised at how my opponents--experienced, veteran players--weirdly seemed to forget about the scouts and left valuable, stationary armored vehicles up against the short board edges where the scouts were able to run on and krak them to death.

I mean, you can't base a tactic on the need for your opponent to make a mistake, but I'm surprised how well the scouts did.

It's also fun to paint and model them in a way that genuinely camouflages them; I've heard to squads being painted so sneakily that the opposing player forgets to shoot at them...

Captain Solon wrote:When I go down to my far-off store, I still see a tonne of SM players using scouts as cannon fodder.

This really upsets me.

SM players use scouts as cannon fodder because they do not have grots.

The tabletop game of 40k is about controlling objectives or getting kill points. It is not about preserving your troops. If using scouts as cannon fodder wins the game, then its a great idea.

Tabletop 40k does not always match the fluff of the game, but hey nothing is perfect eh?

Scouts are awesome.

I know a guy who, for his Planetstrike games, fields 10 scouts (snipers, camo-cloaks, Telion)
and sticks them in a huge double bastion thats smothered in heavy bolters, and with a twin-linked
lascannon on the roof.

They are his big anchor unit; they can kill basically anything, they can destroy Termies, pin hordes, and
use Telion to pop tanks with the lascannon.

They are awesome, the only downside is that it's only one unit; hence, it can deal with anything, but it
can't deal with everything.

I think you meant to say " It can deal with anything but cant handle everything"


My brother uses scouts to varying degrees of success. Usually they dont do too well against my Orks (tho sometimes I take it badly with bad rolls) But I see him use them rather well against other MEQs and such.
Also he uses scouts and their storm landspeeders to basically kick your ass in an objectives game or the like. They are just there so bloody fast there isnt anything you can do about it

But I agree, against my Orks, he uses 1 of 2 ways. Either as a road bump, or to sit in terrain and just harass me to no end. Because I rarely assault something in terrain

Even the distraction factor is more than worth it (ie better to take a unit of scouts than, say, a third tac squad in 1750). Both objective-camping and outflanking, they pull your opponent's mind away from their own mobility game.

One thing I'm not so sure about is the usefulness of the Storm. What sort of SM force does it complement well?

Ahh, I found it:

http://tsoalr.com/?p=88

Yes... don't forget the scouts.

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Seriously: I think they are still a bit expensive for what you get.
But I do like what they bring to a list...though the lack of dedicated transport is annoying...(what the LSS should have been...with increased capacity).

I remember reading somewhere that a 10-man scout squad with snipers and a HBolter will kill more 'Fexs and C'tan then a Tac squad could dream of.
This is true.

Sniper scouts are only really useful for high T monstrous creatures. Outflanking CC scouts can be OK if you give sarge a fist or meltabombs, but GW really nerfed scouts. They should be WS/BS 4, S/T 3, not the other way around.

A little more specific:

Sniper Rifles are good at taking down High Toughess but low saves.
(Rending is not to be relied on to get past 2+ or 3+ armor from fexes).

So...funny enough, C'Tans are their favorite targets.

I read somewhere of someone using a Master of the Forge with scouts + Camo cloaks in cover, something about a 2+ Sv...

Sounds good. Although I pretty much know nothing on Tactics...or if that would be viable.

I guess they get torn a new one in assault though...

2+ cover is cool... but yea.
Combat is not health.
Fast moving hvy flamers are plentiful...

And GW is moving towards including more 'other' kinds of weapons that ignore cover.

IMO get the MoTF for the extra dreads, before using it to buff scouts.

Something far more destructive than sniper scouts...ratlings...with bring it down!

Sanctjud wrote:2+ cover is cool... but yea.
Combat is not health.
Fast moving hvy flamers are plentiful...

And GW is moving towards including more 'other' kinds of weapons that ignore cover.

IMO get the MoTF for the extra dreads, before using it to buff scouts.

Also, the lower point techmarine can also bolster a ruin, so you don't have to waste the HQ slot on a MotF

The Thunderfire Cannon also comes with a Techmarine that can bolster a ruin if you're planning on going that route.

Owain wrote:It's also fun to paint and model them in a way that genuinely camouflages them; I've heard to squads being painted so sneakily that the opposing player forgets to shoot at them...

I had some eldar rangers pained up in forest cammo, and they were so well hidden that they stayed in the little jungle plot for a week until I got back to the store to pick them up.

I have never played with scouts in the new Codex, but I bought a box because I can't tell you how many games I've played that I sincerely wished I'd had some outflanking CC scouts in reserve.

I plan to be fielding at least 20 scouts at 1750 points in the very near future.

Sanctjud wrote:A little more specific:

Sniper Rifles are good at taking down High Toughess but low saves.
(Rending is not to be relied on to get past 2+ or 3+ armor from fexes).

So...funny enough, C'Tans are their favorite targets.

Its the same with a huge mob of grots. They are just meat shields or objective holders, until a C'Tan jumps on the table. Then its time for them to show boyz how to kill a star god

Well...
The Deceiver could just choose not to be in combat.
While the Nightbringer can tempest them out of combat.......so........

/shrug. Yay for necrons not knowing their own rules?

Wait...

How would Grots kill a C'Tan in close combat, exactly?

I think a sniper squad is a cool way to fill points, add a scoring unit and provide something not normally seen in a marine army- long range anti-MC. I would never base an army around them and I wouldn't get more than one squad.

A good way to spend 100-150 points after you've bought everything else.

Oh, and Lysnader has bolster defenses too...

I repeat, does anyone have any advice to offer on best use of the Storm plus scouts, or what sort of SM force it works well with?

All I meant to say with this thread is that people need to think about using their scouts.

be it as it may, use them for cannon fodder, but position them some where where they can go down fighting.

KingCracker wrote:

Sanctjud wrote:A little more specific:

Sniper Rifles are good at taking down High Toughess but low saves.
(Rending is not to be relied on to get past 2+ or 3+ armor from fexes).

So...funny enough, C'Tans are their favorite targets.

Its the same with a huge mob of grots. They are just meat shields or objective holders, until a C'Tan jumps on the table. Then its time for them to show boyz how to kill a star god

I have lost my wraith lord twice now to mobs of grots those dam grot prods are lethal and killing 1-2 grots a turn is some what of a let down.

Monster Rain wrote:Wait...

How would Grots kill a C'Tan in close combat, exactly?

Well its not really the grots per say. Its the 3 runtherders with poison attacks that do the job. The grots are just there to take the hits. Ive seen the grot mob murder some rather large prey using that technique. Its not the greatest, but dammit its funny doing it.

Savnock wrote:I repeat, does anyone have any advice to offer on best use of the Storm plus scouts, or what sort of SM force it works well with?

You can do a sarge with melta bombs or a powerfist for alpha strikes against enemy armor if you're going first, or outflank if you're going second. The way a friend of mine does it is he buys a 10 man scout squad, gives 5 snipers, then gives the other 5 bp/CC and a melta bomb sarge (I think sometimes a combi-melta?). Although the scouts and storm are likely to die on your opponents first turn the disruption to his plans can be invaluable, as they will almost always auto-hit an important target.