Cops shoot family’s barking puppy...

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**Kilkrazy**

I've provided some comparative statistics while you have just made a bet based on nothing more than a hunch.

Yet you doubt my information because of "science".

**Rented Tritium**

ShumaGorath wrote:
I am flabberghasted that you could consider an animal that size to be meaningfully threatening outside of the capacity for spreading disease. We are very large animals.

Ok, I've got to ask. What size dogs have you had? Because you seem utterly unaware of how small a dog needs to actually be to be a threat.

**Frazzled**

We are very large animals.

Some of us are larger than we used to be before the holidays

**Rented Tritium**

Kilkrazy wrote:I've provided some comparative statistics while you have just made a bet based on nothing more than a hunch.

Yet you doubt my information because of "science".

Yeah, see, I appreciate you trying to find the data, but unfortunately what you found was too broad to tell us much. There are 700,000 cops in the us, so if literally every single one of them was bitten by a dog, it would barely change the numbers you posted. That's a problem.

It's not a small enough dataset to be useful.

**snurl**

Did the puppy shoot first?

**Rented Tritium**

In a perfect world, we'd have number of calls responded to involving dogs, number of dogs shot by cops, number of cops bitten by dogs. And we could compare those.

But who would have actually measured those things, right?

So we'll want to settle on dogs shot by cops, cops bitten by dogs and number of patrol hours worked total. Still not perfect, but probably the best we could do reasonably just cruising the internet for it.

It might be useful to figure out the rate of dog ownership just to see if it's different, but my guess is the rate is similar. If we were total stat pros, we'd also adjust for population density factored by police patrol density, but man that's way too much work.

So basically, you just disagree with my assertion about the dog bites and we move on since neither of us can reasonably show it.

**Frazzled**

Rented Tritium wrote:In a perfect world, we'd have number of calls responded to involving dogs, number of dogs shot by cops, number of cops bitten by dogs. And we could compare those.

But who would have actually measured those things, right?

So we'll want to settle on dogs shot by cops, cops bitten by dogs and number of patrol hours worked total. Still not perfect, but probably the best we could do reasonably just cruising the internet for it.

It might be useful to figure out the rate of dog ownership just to see if it's different, but my guess is the rate is similar.

See here you're wrong. In a perfect world Dashundskrieg will have already occurred, and cats and squirrels will finally have been put in their rightful place.

**Rented Tritium**

Frazzled wrote:
Rented Tritium wrote:In a perfect world, we'd have number of calls responded to involving dogs, number of dogs shot by cops, number of cops bitten by dogs. And we could compare those.

But who would have actually measured those things, right?

So we'll want to settle on dogs shot by cops, cops bitten by dogs and number of patrol hours worked total. Still not perfect, but probably the best we could do reasonably just cruising the internet for it.

It might be useful to figure out the rate of dog ownership just to see if it's different, but my guess is the rate is similar.

See here you're wrong. In a perfect world Dashundskrieg will have already occurred, and cats and squirrels will finally have been put in their rightful place.

That would certainly make the number crunching easier, huh.

**Frazzled**

In Wiener dog controlled Russia, the numbers crunch YOU!

**mattyrm**

I went and painted for two hours but you lads are still hard at it.

I'm impressed!

**Rented Tritium**

Frazzled wrote:In Wiener dog controlled Russia, the numbers crunch YOU!

Yeah, but they're tiny numbers and I'm a man, so I'll just stomp on them.

**mattyrm**

Rented Tritium wrote:

Yeah, but they're tiny numbers and I'm a man, so I'll just stomp on them.

That's the spirit!

**Frazzled**

Rented Tritium wrote:
Frazzled wrote:In Wiener dog controlled Russia, the numbers crunch YOU!

Yeah, but they're tiny numbers and I'm a man, so I'll just stomp on them.

Thats what they want you to think!

**Necroshea**

mattyrm wrote: I went and painted for two hours but you lads are still hard at it.

I'm impressed!

Forgive us matty, for we have sinned (and argued and name called and wasted time)!

**ShumaGorath**

mattyrm wrote: I went and painted for two hours but you lads are still hard at it.

I'm impressed!

All this text is so small, it can't take up much time.

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Rented Tritium wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:
I am flabberghasted that you could consider an animal that size to be meaningfully threatening outside of the capacity for spreading disease. We are very large animals.

Ok, I've got to ask. What size dogs have you had? Because you seem utterly unaware of how small a dog needs to actually be to be a threat.

Roughly 40 pounds at peak (i've only had one, but I horsed around with friends dogs throughout my childhood and into my adulthood if that counts). More of a cat person myself these days (and again, 40 pounds at peak. I love my squishy pillow cat). I'm also not particularly phased by the kinds of minor injuries a dog that size doles out.

**Frazzled**

ShumaGorath wrote:
mattyrm wrote: I went and painted for two hours but you lads are still hard at it.

I'm impressed!

All this text is so small, it can't take up much time.

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Rented Tritium wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:
I am flabberghasted that you could consider an animal that size to be meaningfully threatening outside of the capacity for spreading disease. We are very large animals.

Ok, I've got to ask. What size dogs have you had? Because you seem utterly unaware of how small a dog needs to actually be to be a threat.

Roughly 40 pounds at peak. More of a cat person myself these days (and again, 40 pounds at peaks. I love my squishy pillow cat).

35 lb fat furry short legged mutt.
85lb American Bull Terrier with jaws suffiicient to crush a brass doorknob.
125lb German Short Haired Pointer (aka da Horse)
80lb Caucasian Mountain dog / something else mix (Rusty TIger-world's largest lap dog)
16 lb tweenie dachshund
8 lb mini ancient dachshund, but thats 8 lbs of RRRRAAAAAGGGGEEEE (and three teeth).

**Relapse**

Karon wrote:
Necroshea wrote:A cop, who's job is to maintain the peace of the community, has an encounter with a stray dog showing signs of aggression (yes people, barking can be a sign of aggression). If you cannot make sense out of why the cop would shoot such a dog then I don't know what to tell you.

Maybe the cop was trigger happy, maybe not, but the idea of a cop shooting an aggressive stray dog makes more sense than a cop waltzing about the neighborhood looking for something to shoot at.

Also, the fact that the dog was stray seems to be overlooked here.

The dog is the size of my fething foot (size 17), bro. It isn't harming anyone, and the cop is a huge prick.

Barking isn't aggression, and the article said the Dog was backing into a yard likely because it was scared.

Just because he's a police officer doesn't mean he is of any higher status than us. He's a bastard who abuses his authority because he can get away with it.

You defending that is nothing but pathetic.

The dog was said to be of a size to come up to a grown man's knee. I know a healthy 37 year old thatwas mauled and almost lost fingers to a dog smaller that.

**Mr Hyena**

Assuming the cop didn't shoot and he got bit. What then? Thats a serious offence. An animal bite shouldn't be treated casually. People aren't looking at this objectively. They are looking at it with a dog lover's view.

This is the exact reason why the UK has problems with kids being seriously mauled by dogs...which were tiny.

**Albatross**

The problem I have is with the idea that the cop shot the dog and the dog kept coming. Now, some breeds have a ridiculous amount of resistance to pain, so it's not the wound that bothers me - after all, there was that case of the man who had to stab his pitbull six times just to get it to release his arm. It lived, and was later destroyed by the authorities. No, it's the combination of that and the loud bang that accompanies a gun-shot. Dogs hate, HATE, loud bangs. Untrained dogs will flinch from them at least. A loud gun-shot would certainly be enough to frighten off a small, young, untrained puppy.

**purplefood**

Mr Hyena wrote:Assuming the cop didn't shoot and he got bit. What then? Thats a serious offence. An animal bite shouldn't be treated casually. People aren't looking at this objectively. They are looking at it with a dog lover's view.

This is the exact reason why the UK has problems with kids being seriously mauled by dogs...which were tiny.

I would suggest that this isn't the reason people have a problem with dogs in the UK.
It's the owners and the dog breed rather than the fact our policemen aren't armed and willing to put 5 shots into a dog because they think it might bite them. I don't want to live in that country.

**CT GAMER**

Puppy swarm eats small child:

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**Mr Hyena**

purplefood wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:Assuming the cop didn't shoot and he got bit. What then? Thats a serious offence. An animal bite shouldn't be treated casually. People aren't looking at this objectively. They are looking at it with a dog lover's view.

This is the exact reason why the UK has problems with kids being seriously mauled by dogs...which were tiny.

I would suggest that this isn't the reason people have a problem with dogs in the UK.
It's the owners and the dog breed rather than the fact our policemen aren't armed and willing to put 5 shots into a dog because they think it might bite them. I don't want to live in that country.

I certainly know I would want to be compensated if I was an officer and received a dog bite. (And would want shots in case the thing is rabid.)

Most of the time it isn't the owners. Its the dog itself.

**Battle Brother Ambrosius**

Asherian Command wrote:
Necroshea wrote:Javel Townsend said his two sons, ages 10 and 11, are crying and hollering in their sleep, calling out their beloved puppy’s name.
Seems like an attempt to have you side with the writer by using children

“I guess police got fed up with him barking and shot him,” Townsend said Thursday. “I want to know why they had to shoot him.”
Key word here, guess

Christy Matthews of Johnsburg said she witnessed the dog’s shooting.

She grew up on Woodridge Street (which intersects with Lotus near Townsend’s home) and was driving down the street when she said she saw a Round Lake Beach police officer aiming a weapon at a barking dog.
Ok, a witness to the event, this gives us an idea of what happened

Altgeld was barking a lot, but was not foaming at the mouth or acting aggressively, Matthews said.
A stray dog barking at you sounds pretty agressive to me

“The dog did not do anything. It wasn’t even a big dog — it came up maybe to the officer’s knee,” Matthews said.
Big enough to cause you harm if they wanted to

She described herself as an animal lover. She also owns a shepherd mix, which is a vocal breed, she said.
Red flag here. Here opinions could very well be shaping her interpretation of events

Townsend was issued tickets for the dog not having shots, for owning a dangerous dog and for the dog being at large. He is due in court Nov. 1 and is in discussions with an attorney.
Witness has just lost credibility

My question is instead of shooting and killing the animal why not shot it with a dart and ensure that the animal doesn't die. Just put into captivity holy moly.

Well, not every police HQ has a tranq rifle handy. I would imagine the officer in question felt it better to put down a stray barking dog, then go to all the trouble of catching it. Then again, I really don't know, as I wasn't there to see it. However, I've got a feeling the "eye witness" is clouding the truth here.

What in the world is going on with my coding...trying to fix it...

If you lived in IL, you would know that in the sururbs the police here get horribely bored because there are no major problems, they usually just pull people over and they are usually trigger happy. A police officer literally told me this. "I would shoot a kid if I saw that he had an airsoft gun. I don't care its a Lethal weapon." Then he said. "If we didn't know any better we would of gotten a sniper and no questions asked, fired upon you kids." Two parents turned around and told the officer to leave the property. *facepalm*
The police just like to shoot stuff. And the ones in the city. some of them haven't even fired a shot because they don't want to kill anyone. But the ones in the urbs. Are trigger happy. I heard that from a Detective from Chicago.

Yeah, I have heard similar stories about the police in the suburbs. They get so bored since there is nothing to do in there. A friend of mine once told me this story:

He was driving around when suddenly police officers pulled him over. They had drawn their guns and yelled for him to get out of the car. My friend was amazed; he had done nothing wrong. They told him to get on his knees with his arms visible. My friend asked what was this all about. The officers told him that he had driven past a Stop-sign without stopping. My friend had seen no such sign. They escorted him to a very thick and high bush, and showed him a rusty old sign right in the middle of it. My friend got a ticket of $15. I guess they really needed their donut money

**mattyrm**

Mr Hyena wrote:
I certainly know I would want to be compensated if I was an officer and received a dog bite. (And would want shots in case the thing is rabid.)

Most of the time it isn't the owners. Its the dog itself.

I would much rather get a bite, and get some cash of the owners, than slot their dog.

The guy is either a ridiculous coward or he was being needlessly malicious, and I bet it is the latter.

Im willing to wager the guy was known to the police because lets be honest, most of the time when bobbies do raids, they know the scumbags who they are going to see. Most crime is by known scumbags, not unknown "citizens" who don't cause any trouble.

Ill put money on it. The bloke whose dog it is is a known douchebag and the local coppers know it, so one thought "feth it ill shoot his dog"

As I said, ordinarily you would just take the risk of it biting you. Its not going to do you any serious damage and you will be amply compensated if you need stitches.

He shot it because he could, and that is a gakky and unprofessional thing to do.

**Mr Hyena**

I don't think people fully comprehend how weak body tissue is. A small dog can do serious damage to an adult's leg, depending on where it bites, how it bites and what tissues are torn.

The level of compensation for something like this would have to be a seriously big damages claim to both the owner and the police. Frankly, the governments should issue special dangerous animal gear to cops anyway.

Just because someone is a cop, doesn't mean they are required to be attacked and wounded.

**Frazzled**

Mr Hyena wrote:I don't think people fully comprehend how weak body tissue is. A small dog can do serious damage to an adult's leg, depending on where it bites, how it bites and what tissues are torn.

The level of compensation for something like this would have to be a seriously big damages claim to both the owner and the police. Frankly, the governments should issue special dangerous animal gear to cops anyway.

Just because someone is a cop, doesn't mean they are required to be attacked and wounded.

It also doesn't mean they have to go from "do nothing" to "nuke the site from orbit."

**ShumaGorath**

Mr Hyena wrote:I don't think people fully comprehend how weak body tissue is. A small dog can do serious damage to an adult's leg, depending on where it bites, how it bites and what tissues are torn.

So can a housecat. So can a road sign. So can a slippery patch of ice. So can anything in the right situation, that doesn't make it likely or common.

**Rented Tritium**

ShumaGorath wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:I don't think people fully comprehend how weak body tissue is. A small dog can do serious damage to an adult's leg, depending on where it bites, how it bites and what tissues are torn.

So can a housecat. So can a road sign. So can a slippery patch of ice. So can anything in the right situation, that doesn't make it likely or common.

In cases where a 40 pound dog is lunging at you, I am pretty sure puncture wounds are likely and common, so go ahead and drop that nonsense right now.

**ShumaGorath**

Rented Tritium wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:I don't think people fully comprehend how weak body tissue is. A small dog can do serious damage to an adult's leg, depending on where it bites, how it bites and what tissues are torn.

So can a housecat. So can a road sign. So can a slippery patch of ice. So can anything in the right situation, that doesn't make it likely or common.

In cases where a 40 pound dog is lunging at you, I am pretty sure puncture wounds are likely and common, so go ahead and drop that nonsense right now.

Sure is, dogs are scrappy. A small puncture in the skin is also something that will heal in like two days. Deal with it. Wrap a jacket on your arm or something, it's not a chainsaw.

**Frazzled**

Rented Tritium wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:I don't think people fully comprehend how weak body tissue is. A small dog can do serious damage to an adult's leg, depending on where it bites, how it bites and what tissues are torn.

So can a housecat. So can a road sign. So can a slippery patch of ice. So can anything in the right situation, that doesn't make it likely or common.

In cases where a 40 pound dog is lunging at you, I am pretty sure puncture wounds are likely and common, so go ahead and drop that nonsense right now.

When tangling with a human scratches are high as well, but police (ok outside of Chicago and NO) can't blast away willy nilly either.