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Mannahnin wrote:Sebster, I believe MR is trying to engage in good faith. Please try to keep it friendly and constructive. Work with him; he's a good dude.

sebster wrote:Fair point. I know Monster Rain is a pretty decent guy, and he does engage in good faith. I don't know, maybe we're just seeing the terms of this debate from fundamentally different points of view, because I just cannot where he's coming from.

Aww, gee whiz guys.

Glad I read the thread back over before posting my response to see if perhaps I was reading things with somewhat more hostile intent than was actually there.

Hey Sebster, I realize that I didn't quite have a fully fleshed out health care reform bill back there. But surely you can appreciate the basic principle behind what I was saying, right?

I think he's saying that he gets your gist but that the math doesn't add up, and that if you allow people to choose not to sign up, they numbers of people who don't, but then wind up needing care and only signing up after they need care, will F up the whole system.

You need those folks...

A) Paying in while they're still healthy.
B) Having the coverage so they're more likely to actually go to the doctor and get preventive care, which helps avoid a lot of the nastiest and most expensive problems in the first place.

Monster Rain wrote:Hey Sebster, I realize that I didn't quite have a fully fleshed out health care reform bill back there. But surely you can appreciate the basic principle behind what I was saying, right?

Yeah, I can, and I think that something like that is going to be the foundation of a working healthcare model going forward. But in the next post Mannahin summed up the issue perfectly in the post following yours, that the monthly payable is a lot higher than you suggested, and you need folk paying in while they're still healthy. And the solution to that is either to have government cover low income providers for free, or to make people pay into a low cost insurance scheme (essentially a mandate).