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Heck the cost per square foot of these terrain boards is less than some carpeting my wife bought....hmmm, naw that's too crazy

I blame the terrorists!

BUT!

COMPROMISE!

Following the Kickstarter I will look at making 8 tile sets available of the themed sections -- as "expansion" sets -- that can easily be used to make 4x6' tables! BAM!

 misterjustin wrote:

But if I can't sell someone on the value of getting more layout options at a lower cost, with a comparable quality, matching terrain and bases, and long-term support for more products in the line... I need to be trying harder. And I will

I think you misunderstand their objection. In their eye's it's not that your competing against the realm of battle or ex illis boards. It's that your competing with the option of "no purchase". In that case they see the extra eight tiles of the wargamer pledge level a waste. Can't you just offer an eight random board add-on? It would put the whole thing to rest.

EDIT: Damn beat me to it.

99% of all 28mm wargames take place on 4x6, Warmachine being the big exception.

 misterjustin wrote:
Following the Kickstarter I will look at making 8 tile sets available of the themed sections -- as "expansion" sets -- that can easily be used to make 4x6' tables! BAM!

You mean like that?

RoninXiC wrote:
99% of all 28mm wargames take place on 4x6, Warmachine being the big exception.

Perhaps its a 'California thing' but I have always played on a 4X8

RoninXiC wrote:
99% of all 28mm wargames take place on 4x6, Warmachine being the big exception.

Warhammer and 40k are not 99% of all wargames.

everything I want is halfway up the stretch goal list.

I guess I have to wait and see.

GBL wrote:
everything I want is halfway up the stretch goal list.

I guess I have to wait and see.

numbers are of course messy with first day surge but right now its trending towards about 1.4M

I prefer 4' by 4' myself for 7TV and Bolt Action, I don't have a table, nor a lot of space. I also like being a 1%'er.

 misterjustin wrote:
I blame the terrorists!

BUT!

COMPROMISE!

Following the Kickstarter I will look at making 8 tile sets available of the themed sections -- as "expansion" sets -- that can easily be used to make 4x6' tables! BAM!

Sold!
(Now I just need to get a decent free standing glass cabinet that could fit them!)


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Also! any possible framing options on the horizon?

 Cyporiean wrote:

RoninXiC wrote:
99% of all 28mm wargames take place on 4x6, Warmachine being the big exception.

Warhammer and 40k are not 99% of all wargames.

They're definitely the biggest, but, yeah. Also, since when are they 28mm?

Warmachine is 4x4

Malifaux and (I believe) infinity) are 3x3

Skirmish games rarely go above 4x4

I mostly play small to medium games of 40k, and do use 4x4 for that.

I don't always support Kickstarters, but when I do, I go big.



In for Wargamer level x 2. Provided the chances to purchase more sets later, at the prices given, come through closer to the fall when they're expected to ship (and I've replenished my funds), I expect to pick up a fair few more of the forthcoming themes. Really hoping we get to the Urban, trench, generic, and desert themes.

Possible framing options? YES!

On the deck right now? Sadly, no. I'm up to my neck on the first four full themes and two mini-themes.

Plus... some... other stuff. *whistles away*

misterjustin wrote:Possible framing options? YES!
On the deck right now? Sadly, no. I'm up to my neck on the first four full themes and two mini-themes.
Plus... some... other stuff. *whistles away*

In other words:

 misterjustin wrote:
BAM!

 misterjustin wrote:
BAM!

 misterjustin wrote:
BAM!

 misterjustin wrote:
BAM!

 misterjustin wrote:
But if I can't sell someone on the value of getting more layout options at a lower cost, with a comparable quality, matching terrain and bases, and long-term support for more products in the line... I need to be trying harder. And I will

That's not really it I see your point, but I will **always** prefer the (superior) flexibility of separate terrain pieces over something molded into the table for everything but trenches, rivers and (perhaps) hills etc. so the "variety" beyond moving around 24 tiles (which is a completely bonkers number of possible permutations already) seems to be just the kind of overkill I wouldn't even dream of needing (and given the height of my "pile of grey" that is saying something )
As was already mentioned, I'm not weighing this against RoB. I'd never even consider that monstrosity; it's this or "no buy/DiY". and while it's certainly worth it's price, it's a substantial chunk of money for many of us. I don't mind that per se, but having to buy (at least, that's how it seems to feel to a few of us ) quite a bit more than I "feel" I actually need (or for that matter, want) is really off-putting.

...especially since it would seem to me that it shouldn't be all *that* hard to do what you suggest already (splitting a set between two other sets) at distribution level instead of leaving individual purchasers to worry about that, leaving those of us who don't have buddies interested in the system (and in groups of exactly three, mind you!) to dry.

again, your business, your party. Didn't mean to stir up anything here

Aw, missed the start, that's what I get for sleeping...

@Bolognesus -- but you ARE one of the people that prompted me to add 8 tile "expansion sets" to the near-term goals. It probably won't run with the KS, but if you pledge for 16 tiles you won't have to wait long for your 8 themed tiles (randomly packed from the theme) to build the 4x6' board.

I'm listening -- and I've come up with a workable option

 Bolognesus wrote:
and in groups of exactly three, mind you!

2 People, not groups of three.

1 4x8 + 1 4x4 = 1 4x12 or 2 4x6.

Oh right, scratch that one then
still no luck for those of us with no other potential backers near.

Won't there be 4x6 tables available through the kickstarter once a set of generic tiles is unlocked? So long as they look relatively similar, it covers the table size without worrying about breaking down packages to deliver KS rewards.

BTW: @ Bolo, it's a lot of work to add to a low margin project to have any level of breaking down packages.

Yeah, the "expansion sets" probably won't make it into the KS exactly because they won't be cost effective at this point. With the mini-sets the only plan for those is to offer them as 8 tile sets right now, so anyone selecting "DESERT" as their pledge level would get 2 @ 8 tile sets in place of 1 @ 16.

It comes out of the machines and goes into a box. EASY!

But breaking down the "Scrap Yard," or other full 16 tile themes, means actually breaking it down. A lot of them need to be made and then randomly boxed without duplication. That won't be easy.

BUT! Remember that even on the themed sets it's not all raised detail. That will be more evident on Monday when the updated renders are posted. The designers have had to upgrade computers because trying to get a bunch of 20,000,000 poly count files to render TOGETHER is apparently a lot or something

 misterjustin wrote:
And what's a bit funny for me is that 40k is also split among 4x6' and 4x8' gamers -- although the former is certainly more common. This is why GW offers the expansion on their board.

But if I can't sell someone on the value of getting more layout options at a lower cost, with a comparable quality, matching terrain and bases, and long-term support for more products in the line... I need to be trying harder. And I will

Try harder by adding a 6' x 4' board pledge level.

There has never been a Kickstarter that has had runaway success trying to sell people apples when they want bananas, the successful ones all find a way to give them bananas instead, even if they're really super 100% certain that absolutely *everyone* is going to want apples if only they can be marketed well enough.

Comparing with GW RoB RRP is useless, I can buy it at 30% off from an online webstore. Your board is pretty much the same price factoring that in. So, it's a matter of "what does it do better than RoB?" for comparison purposes.

Lack of skull pits is a good start.

I'm in on the early bird for the 8x4. Hoping we get tot he trench stretch as all my bases are for my current forces are Secret Weapon Trench bases

Look at the 8x4 this way. It's enough for a 6x4 table and a potential display board

 misterjustin wrote:
Yeah, the "expansion sets" probably won't make it into the KS exactly because they won't be cost effective at this point. With the mini-sets the only plan for those is to offer them as 8 tile sets right now, so anyone selecting "DESERT" as their pledge level would get 2 @ 8 tile sets in place of 1 @ 16.

You should really look into making it possible to just get the 8 tiles out of the machine, rather then 8x2. It'll go a good way towards appeasing the 40k players by giving them the extra little bit of table they need, and opens the possibility of getting both the Fields and Desert mini sets with a proper core set.


And what can you say about the Trenches? I'm very likely to get that one along with the Fields, or Trenches + Fields/Desert Combo if possible.

 BrookM wrote:
And I pledged, early bird and all that. That money was supposed to go to Raging Heroes, but this is too good to pass up on!

Yup. I was really excited about doing a 'Tank Girl' themed IG Mechanized army, but Raging Heroes announced an upcoming Kickstarter in January, and still hasn't even shown anyone anything other than concept art. Oh, well, guess those tanks will get painted for my Praetorian IG.

This is the way to roll out a kickstarter. Some previews shortly before launch, and loads of communication with your buyers.

I hope this all goes well for you guys, and not just because I want some scrapyard scenery. Smaller, affordable, useful tiled scenery is badly needed. Not everybody wants to plop down big bucks for a crashed Thunderhawk or a huge freaking hill (or more skull pits). Not only would I love to see you succeed in this endeavor, it might also wake up the 'big guy' and get them to realize that there's no upside to brand-specific scenery, when good, flexible use stuff can sell to all sorts of gamers. I can always add my own skulls.

Can't say I'm too impressed with the first ones. It might be cheap I guess, but if I want a really generic table like that I'd rather just build my own. Maybe if/when the trench tiles come out I'll be interested in it, since that would be awesome for my DKoK.

Da Butcha wrote:
Not only would I love to see you succeed in this endeavor, it might also wake up the 'big guy' and get them to realize that there's no upside to brand-specific scenery, when good, flexible use stuff can sell to all sorts of gamers. I can always add my own skulls.

Nonsense. There's lots of upside to brand-specific scenery. No, a crashed Thunderhawk is not appealing to people who want cheap generic terrain, but it IS appealing if you want the perfect 40k table and are willing to pay for it. Not being in the target market for a product doesn't meant that there's no reason for it to exist.

They just added a 4x6 level for $190 all tiles must be from the same theme so they going to split a box to get extra 8 tiles.

BAM! DaveC beat me to it - and must be hitting F5 even more often than I am - but you can now have your 4x6' table.

The additional 8 tiles MUST be from the same theme though -- it's the only way we can make it work logistically.

And now I'm going to breathe again

4' x 6' is in!

Here comes the surge!