Random Dude wrote:
Gangrel767 wrote:
They do not have pulse lasers.... never have. Maybe you're thinking of a falcon?
They did have scatter lasers same as now, but the laser lock rule did not exist.
Typo. I meant to say Scatter Lasers.
This could be shaking the hive here, as we all have very strong opinions here in the world of anonymity... but I think a lot of the issue with Wave Serpents is the Falcon. The Falcon should also be a dedicated transport option (like the forgeworld corsair list). If I had other options to hide my very squishy space elves in, I'd take it. Even a Venom equivalent would be nice, but instead it is ONLY the Wave Serpent. So If I want to protect my troops I am forced to select one of the most high-powered units in the game. That sucks as now I have to hear about it everytime I play.
With that being said, the rest of the game is catching up to this codex creep. I was at a local
NOVA prep tournament this past weekend and I was the only Eldar player. I did field a couple wave serpents, but it was not pure
WS Spam, no one seemed to have too much trouble getting rid of them. There is a lot of good ignores cover firepower out there now to help even it up, and prescience as well.
As far as the
OP, I think as the Eldar fad begins to fade the Eldar will be a lot less annoying to play. The "army of the Month" players will go on to the next hotness (thankfully) and this will become a moot issue. The game always has THOSE lists, some of us remember the Grey Knights of late 5th for example (there have been many over the years). I remember walking into my local game store and being asked directly if I played Grey Knights, because if so... I wasn't allowed to play them there. I have not seen this type of animosity towards Eldar, but this thread definitely indicates it is out there.
I guess the point I am driving towards is Warhammer is a rock, paper, scissors game... it always has been and when a codex comes out with hyper-efficient choices (especially when they're the only dedicated transport option) that becomes the big hated army. I know in 6th seeing those death stars like screamer star or ovesa was the worst. I HATED playing against them, but you find ways around their gimmick and the fun becomes how to take this guys army apart, in spite of how the rules may favor him.
I do realize this is a piss and moan thread, so feel free to attack anything I've said here, but the point is there will always be a "no-fun" army to fight and there will always be a paper to your rock. This is part of the game, and it always has been, so if that is your gripe and major issue... maybe warhammer isn't for you. Perhaps another more mathematically sound game is better... but for me... it's
40k.
