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To be honest, I probably wouldn't take the Destroyer Cult as part of a larger Decurion.

However, I would consider taking it just as a formation by itself.

What we need to decide is whether normal Destroyers are good enough now that taking them in order to get the Cult benefits isn't too much of a tax.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
To be honest, I probably wouldn't take the Destroyer Cult as part of a larger Decurion.

However, I would consider taking it just as a formation by itself.

What we need to decide is whether normal Destroyers are good enough now that taking them in order to get the Cult benefits isn't too much of a tax.

Not sure in the long run but I'm going to be trying the destroyer cult in the decurion. I have 15 from 4th edition so I may be biased in using them again. They are super survivable with the 2 wounds and the 4+ RP and T5 and their formation bonus helps with the chance to glance the ever present mech armies as necrons needs the mobile firepower since our long range shooting is pretty bad.

Kangodo wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Wait Destroyers are Minimum 1 Model a unit. Cause if so Holy Crap , the Decurion Formation is going to be crazy insane then.

How many times do we need to repeat it
The unit is 1-6.
The Formation makes it 3-6.

Yep, this seems to be a hard misconception to squash.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
To be honest, I probably wouldn't take the Destroyer Cult as part of a larger Decurion.

However, I would consider taking it just as a formation by itself.

What we need to decide is whether normal Destroyers are good enough now that taking them in order to get the Cult benefits isn't too much of a tax.

I'm leaning towards yes. 24" S5 AP3 guns were never bad, but they were just really too fragile for the cost. Even without the Decurion detachment (or Cryptek, I guess), gaining a second wound and what is essentially FNP fixes that issue. And now that they can JSJ with cover as well.

Though Jump gave them the possibility to fly up to their target quickly, the flexibility of being Jet Pack is much better. All of this while not taking a points increase is quite good in the long run, they're like cheaper Crisis Suits, just without the weapon options or Drones.

which C'tans does everyone think they will be using or if at all?

With the transcendent c'tan in the codex in a heavy support slot. Does that mean that the more powerful trans c'tan can now only be taken in an escalation/apoc game and not fit in the Lords of War slot in a normal game?

The Nightbringer.
Fleshbane + Powers of the C'tan seems like a nice combination.
He also has the Gaze of Death which will kill a lot of tough-armoured units ánd keep him alive.

The T-C'tan, despite having THREE, is something I will never play unless my friends allow me to use his old rules in Apocalypse.
Both because he is bad and out of principle.

xpress907 wrote:
With the transcendent c'tan in the codex in a heavy support slot. Does that mean that the more powerful trans c'tan can now only be taken in an escalation/apoc game and not fit in the Lords of War slot in a normal game?

No, it means that the model you paid 160 USD for (and for an Obelisk) is now weaker than a $37.25 model.
The old rules are outdated and can no longer be used.

But Orks kept their Stompa, nothing wrong with that

Kangodo wrote:
The Nightbringer.
Fleshbane + Powers of the C'tan seems like a nice combination.
He also has the Gaze of Death which will kill a lot of tough-armoured units ánd keep him alive.

The T-C'tan, despite having THREE, is something I will never play unless my friends allow me to use his old rules in Apocalypse.
Both because he is bad and out of principle.

xpress907 wrote:
With the transcendent c'tan in the codex in a heavy support slot. Does that mean that the more powerful trans c'tan can now only be taken in an escalation/apoc game and not fit in the Lords of War slot in a normal game?

No, it means that the model you paid 160 USD for (and for an Obelisk) is now weaker than a $37.25 model.
The old rules are outdated and can no longer be used.

But Orks kept their Stompa, nothing wrong with that

woah, so ur telling me that transliminal stride and wave of withering no longer exist in any sense, any game type?

Yup... All of it is gone.
So basically we no longer have any decent Apocalypse-models.

The Transcendent C'tan has been clumsily retconned out by slapping his name on a generic C'tan Shard rather than making any sort of genuine effort to tone him down, yes.

I'm going full Nightbringer. Might even try him out in a Conclave in higher points games, effectively making him a turn one deep striking T8 8 wound Monstrous Creature with variable FNP, and two 12 inch shooting powers (Gaze of Death, and the S5 AP3 Assault 6 of two Staves of Light) with powers of the C'tan as a bonus.

Points effective? Probably, almost certainly, not.

changemod wrote:
The Transcendent C'tan has been clumsily retconned out by slapping his name on a generic C'tan Shard rather than making any sort of genuine effort to tone him down, yes.

I'm going full Nightbringer. Might even try him out in a Conclave in higher points games, effectively making him a turn one deep striking T8 8 wound Monstrous Creature with variable FNP, and two 12 inch shooting powers (Gaze of Death, and the S5 AP3 Assault 6 of two Staves of Light) with powers of the C'tan as a bonus.

Points effective? Probably, almost certainly, not.

Since Conclave of the Burning One can be taken as a separate formation, can you take a veil on one of the crypteks from this formation and still have a veil available to take on the primary detachment (or decurion)?

Nice idea, Changemod!
Though I would make some changes:
Cryptek 1: God Shackle + Veil of Darkness
Cryptek 2: The Solar Staff

The Solar Staff is too cheap to ignore in this Formation.

xpress907 wrote:
Since Conclave of the Burning One can be taken as a separate formation, can you take a veil on one of the crypteks from this formation and still have a veil available to take on the primary detachment (or decurion)?

Nope, Relics are limited to one per army.
They are unique items, just as unique as Imothek himself.

Nightbringer is the clear winner out of the Stargods. Deceiver might be worthwhile if you're against something like Orks or Daemons who hate to fail Morale tests. Or I guess if you want to do Deployment shenanigans.

Trans is pretty worthless. Difficult terrain bubble, woohoo.

Nightbringer kills in Assault, kills in shooting, and can regain wounds. Put him in a Conclave and congrats, you have a squad that no one wants to go near and will try to blast the hell out of before it gets close.

Too be honest, the "superpowerful shard of a star god, and even more powerful shard of a star god" thing was dumb.

Alcibiades wrote:
Too be honest, the "superpowerful shard of a star god, and even more powerful shard of a star god" thing was dumb.

The idea was that C'tan Shards are just a fragment of the real Star Gods.
A Transcendent C'tan was a fusion of twelve to a hundred Shards.

So it is quite ironic that the Shards are now better than the Transcendent.

Kangodo wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:
Too be honest, the "superpowerful shard of a star god, and even more powerful shard of a star god" thing was dumb.

The idea was that C'tan Shards are just a fragment of the real Star Gods.
A Transcendent C'tan was a fusion of twelve to a hundred Shards.

So it is quite ironic that the Shards are now better than the Transcendent.

Seriously, it wouldn't be all that hard to make a LoW version far more toned down than the original.

Off the top of my head: Take the one we have, add a point each of S and T to make it immune to small arms, raise wounds to 6, make it gargantuan instead of monstrous, let it roll twice on the powers table and make Writhing Worldscape inflict a S4 AP- hit to everyone within 6 inches at the start of each movement phase.

That took ten seconds to think of.

Keep in mind that this is the toned down codex. Wait for the supplements around the corner.

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but it seems to me that one result of the changes to RP is that Necron basic troops no longer just fold in CC. They're pretty reasonable at it in fact.

col_impact wrote:
Keep in mind that this is the toned down codex. Wait for the supplements around the corner.

I think Exterminatus was our supplement.
Otherwise they would have done something with the Cryptek-edition.

And if we get one, it won't do us any good.
A supplement usually gives Relics, Traits and Detachments/Formations.
What we need is a new unit called "Sorry for the feth-up, here is a good Gargantuan Creature. Please forgive us?"
That and a serious backing on the Scarab-nerfs..

Kangodo wrote:

col_impact wrote:
Keep in mind that this is the toned down codex. Wait for the supplements around the corner.

I think Exterminatus was our supplement.
Otherwise they would have done something with the Cryptek-edition.

And if we get one, it won't do us any good.
A supplement usually gives Relics, Traits and Detachments/Formations.
What we need is a new unit called "Sorry for the feth-up, here is a good Gargantuan Creature. Please forgive us?"
That and a serious backing on the Scarab-nerfs..

Well... maybe FW will finally get around to updating the FW related Necron rules... oh who am I kidding they're probably too busy sculpting Leman Russ' buttocks.

So what's the thought on the D. Lord attached to wraiths. It pretty much makes him a 6" moving infantry model. Not sure if wraiths are going to work without the d. Lord attached?

 NecronLord3 wrote:
So what's the thought on the D. Lord attached to wraiths. It pretty much makes him a 6" moving infantry model. Not sure if wraiths are going to work without the d. Lord attached?

Why wouldn't they work without the Dlord?

PE is nice, but it's not the end all be all. The T5 on them means that the Dlord being used as a meatsheild isn't near as valuable, and with the loss of MSS the Dlord isn't near what he used to be in challenges.

Wraiths got a lot better, and the Dlord got a lot worse. I don't think he is needed at all anymore.

I'm not convinced that the destroyer cult is a bad option just yet; I think there is potential there.

But the question remains; where do you stick that mandatory D.Lord?

omerakk wrote:
I'm not convinced that the destroyer cult is a bad option just yet; I think there is potential there.

But the question remains; where do you stick that mandatory D.Lord?

with your flayed ones

I'd like to take the Destroyer Cult with the Praetorian formation - he can deep strike with a unit of them, and give them a bonus against a unit that the Stalker doesn't target. The Stalker will also help out the Destroyers by making them essentially BS10.

So looking at the voidblade and hyperphase sword it looks like the voidblade is better in everyway aside from MEQ. For TEq voidblade has a chance of ap2 and with rending and entropic strike has a chance to pen av13 and can glance av14.

Of course the warscythe is better than both and the voidreaper better than the warscythe for 10pts more (but is limit 1 since relic). So if you need to free up some points and the like and you have the ability to take either the voidblade or the hyperphase sword.


Dlord in Flayed one deepstrike with the Solar staff is a bad day for the enemy as long as you don't mess up the scatter. The can't assault restriction the the deep strike won't matter as much if everything becomes snapshot at the flayed one unit. Is anything else a must take for this unit? I think a res orb would be better suited than the phase shifter but both can be nice and have their place but neither are must haves for this.

Or would it be better/cheaper to just stick a cryptek in there with the veil of darkness and a chronometron for the 5++ to everything? 115pts for the tek and 125-150 for the Dlord. Risk the shooting phase for the 5++/4+++rp or be safe with snap shots(and immune to blast) and have PE. Hmm it looks like the Dlord is the better case

I'm not convinced that the destroyer cult is a bad option just yet; I think there is potential there.

But the question remains; where do you stick that mandatory D.Lord?

With a brick of flayed ones.

 Sasori wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
So what's the thought on the D. Lord attached to wraiths. It pretty much makes him a 6" moving infantry model. Not sure if wraiths are going to work without the d. Lord attached?

Why wouldn't they work without the Dlord?

PE is nice, but it's not the end all be all. The T5 on them means that the Dlord being used as a meatsheild isn't near as valuable, and with the loss of MSS the Dlord isn't near what he used to be in challenges.

Wraiths got a lot better, and the Dlord got a lot worse. I don't think he is needed at all anymore.

His movement isn't the end of the world, especially since I'm pretty sure that he can still do his assault move to keep up with the wraiths for the most part. And having PE and a stock AP 2 guy that you can kit out to issue challenges and probably win is good news to me. And it totally melts tanks in CC too.

What kills it for me is the huge points sink into the Decurion as is (because you're probably going to give the wraiths RP if you want to run the D Lord with them) and he's not one of the compulsory choices for the Decurion. So you have to take an overlord (probably barge lord) in addition to the D Lord, and you would have to take the destroyer cult to have him at all (unless I missed something)

You could just skip the Decurion entirely and have a single formation of unkillable wraiths. Allows you to keep obsec but you lose the RP buffs. I think the enhanced RP is better in the end.

 Sasori wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
So what's the thought on the D. Lord attached to wraiths. It pretty much makes him a 6" moving infantry model. Not sure if wraiths are going to work without the d. Lord attached?

Why wouldn't they work without the Dlord?

PE is nice, but it's not the end all be all. The T5 on them means that the Dlord being used as a meatsheild isn't near as valuable, and with the loss of MSS the Dlord isn't near what he used to be in challenges.

Wraiths got a lot better, and the Dlord got a lot worse. I don't think he is needed at all anymore.

What HQ would you prefer in the new edition?
I want a fast HQ who can work on his own.
So I see only the Barge Lord or the DLord here.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
So what's the thought on the D. Lord attached to wraiths. It pretty much makes him a 6" moving infantry model. Not sure if wraiths are going to work without the d. Lord attached?

Why wouldn't they work without the Dlord?

PE is nice, but it's not the end all be all. The T5 on them means that the Dlord being used as a meatsheild isn't near as valuable, and with the loss of MSS the Dlord isn't near what he used to be in challenges.

Wraiths got a lot better, and the Dlord got a lot worse. I don't think he is needed at all anymore.

What HQ would you prefer in the new edition?
I want a fast HQ who can work on his own.
So I see only the Barge Lord or the DLord here.

Since I'm taking the Decurion, it's the Bargelord.