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Its in the formation restriction

There's no restriction in Zahndrekh's Adaptive Tactics rule about having to stick to the same table, so he can switch back and forth between Necron traits and BRB traits.

So theDestroyer Cult is
1 DL
3 units of Destroyers
0-1 units of Heavy Destroyers

so minimally you need 1 DL and 3X1 Destroyers

However I am noticing that each unit of Destroyers allows you to upgrade 1 model to a Heavy Destroyer
so effectively you could run . . .

1 DL and 3 x 1 Destroyers (each with the Destroyer model upgraded to a Heavy Destroyer) and avoid running basic Destroyers altogether.

col_impact wrote:
So theDestroyer Cult is
1 DL
3 units of Destroyers
0-1 units of Heavy Destroyers

so minimally you need 1 DL and 3X1 Destroyers

However I am noticing that each unit of Destroyers allows you to upgrade 1 model to a Heavy Destroyer
so effectively you could run . . .

1 DL and 3 x 1 Destroyers (each with the Destroyer model upgraded to a Heavy Destroyer) and avoid running basic Destroyers altogether.

Yea thats a a good idea actually, with JSJ they shouldn't be that risky for FB either.

Bad news, each unit of Destroyers needs at least three models.

Kangodo wrote:
Bad news, each unit of Destroyers needs at least three models.

?

Min unit size is 1 Destroyer


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The stupidest thing in this new codex is GA capacity is 10 warriors and min unit size of warriors is 10. Wtf?

Kangodo wrote:
Bad news, each unit of Destroyers needs at least three models.

Where are you guys finding this? I was considering multiples of 1 hvy Ds. Thus would wreck that idea but I can't find the restriction.

col_impact wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Bad news, each unit of Destroyers needs at least three models.

?

Min unit size is 1 Destroyer


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The stupidest thing in this new codex is GA capacity is 10 warriors and min unit size of warriors is 10. Wtf?

presumably, an OL allowing rerolls of 1 on RP would be too much in a GA.

dominuschao wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Bad news, each unit of Destroyers needs at least three models.

Where are you guys finding this? I was considering multiples of 1 hvy Ds. Thus would wreck that idea but I can't find the restriction.

1. We have a Fast Attack-slot for Destroyers (1 to 6 models) and one can become a Heavy.
2. We also have a Heavy Support-slot for Heavy Destroyers (1-3) models.
3. And we have a Formation for a Destroyer Cult, where you can take three units of Destroyers that all need at least 3 models.

I hope that makes everything clear

Kangodo wrote:

dominuschao wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Bad news, each unit of Destroyers needs at least three models.

Where are you guys finding this? I was considering multiples of 1 hvy Ds. Thus would wreck that idea but I can't find the restriction.

1. We have a Fast Attack-slot for Destroyers (1 to 6 models) and one can become a Heavy.
2. We also have a Heavy Support-slot for Heavy Destroyers (1-3) models.
3. And we have a Formation for a Destroyer Cult, where you can take three units of Destroyers that all need at least 3 models.

I hope that makes everything clear

I think what they are referring to is page 91 of the codex, the destroyer entry says the unit can be only 1 model.

You guys need to look at page 104 for the destroyer cult restrictions

Yes, but they were talking about the Destroyer Cult which is why I thought it was smart to inform them.

In other news: The Battlescribe-file is done and can now be used by end-users.
That should help with making lists and coming up with tactics.
Feedback can be given in: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/617215.page

col_impact wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Bad news, each unit of Destroyers needs at least three models.

?

Min unit size is 1 Destroyer


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The stupidest thing in this new codex is GA capacity is 10 warriors and min unit size of warriors is 10. Wtf?

Really, not the dedicated transport Praetorians can take but never use?

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

col_impact wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Bad news, each unit of Destroyers needs at least three models.

?

Min unit size is 1 Destroyer


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The stupidest thing in this new codex is GA capacity is 10 warriors and min unit size of warriors is 10. Wtf?

Really, not the dedicated transport Praetorians can take but never use?

What makes you think Praetorians can't use a NS?

Alcibiades wrote:
I think the Decurion is there to make fluffy armies (such as Destroyer Cults) usable.

Not only, it will buff the RP rolls.
As said Wraiths with 4+ RP are hard to remove.

col_impact wrote:

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

col_impact wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Bad news, each unit of Destroyers needs at least three models.

?

Min unit size is 1 Destroyer


Automatically Appended Next Post:
The stupidest thing in this new codex is GA capacity is 10 warriors and min unit size of warriors is 10. Wtf?

Really, not the dedicated transport Praetorians can take but never use?

What makes you think Praetorians can't use a NS?

Jump Infantry.

 wuestenfux wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:
I think the Decurion is there to make fluffy armies (such as Destroyer Cults) usable.

Not only, it will buff the RP rolls.

Which makes the classic phalanx foot-slogging unstoppable army of doom viable.

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

col_impact wrote:

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

col_impact wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Bad news, each unit of Destroyers needs at least three models.

?

Min unit size is 1 Destroyer


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The stupidest thing in this new codex is GA capacity is 10 warriors and min unit size of warriors is 10. Wtf?

Really, not the dedicated transport Praetorians can take but never use?

What makes you think Praetorians can't use a NS?

Jump Infantry.

Jump Infantry cannot go on transports 'unless specifically stated otherwise'. The codex line that says the Praetorians can select a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport fulfills the 'unless specifically stated otherwise'

Alcibiades wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:
I think the Decurion is there to make fluffy armies (such as Destroyer Cults) usable.

Not only, it will buff the RP rolls.

Which makes the classic phalanx foot-slogging unstoppable army of doom viable.

Indeed, the phalanx has been a rather successful tactics.
It's viable again.

 wuestenfux wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:
I think the Decurion is there to make fluffy armies (such as Destroyer Cults) usable.

Not only, it will buff the RP rolls.

Which makes the classic phalanx foot-slogging unstoppable army of doom viable.

Indeed, the phalanx has been a rather successful tactics.
It's viable again.

I think you could make an old-school Necrons list with phalanxes, C;tan shard. monoliths, destroyers and flayed ones now and it would work.

Pfff, the Apocalypse Infinite Phalanx requires 10 units of Warriors.
Which means it went from a 50 model minimum to a minimum of 100 Warriors.
And that sucks, seeing as I own exactly 99 Necron Warriors!

col_impact wrote:

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

col_impact wrote:

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

col_impact wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Bad news, each unit of Destroyers needs at least three models.

?

Min unit size is 1 Destroyer


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The stupidest thing in this new codex is GA capacity is 10 warriors and min unit size of warriors is 10. Wtf?

Really, not the dedicated transport Praetorians can take but never use?

What makes you think Praetorians can't use a NS?

Jump Infantry.

Jump Infantry cannot go on transports 'unless specifically stated otherwise'. The codex line that says the Praetorians can select a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport fulfills the 'unless specifically stated otherwise'

Only issue with that is the dedicated transport rules don't say anything about ignoring unit types just because you've taken a transport as a dedicated transport. Just because they've selected it does not mean they have to deploy within the transport.

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

col_impact wrote:

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

col_impact wrote:

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

col_impact wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Bad news, each unit of Destroyers needs at least three models.

?

Min unit size is 1 Destroyer


Automatically Appended Next Post:
The stupidest thing in this new codex is GA capacity is 10 warriors and min unit size of warriors is 10. Wtf?

Really, not the dedicated transport Praetorians can take but never use?

What makes you think Praetorians can't use a NS?

Jump Infantry.

Jump Infantry cannot go on transports 'unless specifically stated otherwise'. The codex line that says the Praetorians can select a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport fulfills the 'unless specifically stated otherwise'

Only issue with that is the dedicated transport rules don't say anything about ignoring unit types just because you've taken a transport as a dedicated transport. Just because they've selected it does not mean they have to deploy within the transport.

The Praetorians themselves only need to be granted an exception. The codex line that allows them to select a NS as a dedicated transport grants them that exception.

col_impact wrote:

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

col_impact wrote:

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

col_impact wrote:

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

col_impact wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Bad news, each unit of Destroyers needs at least three models.

?

Min unit size is 1 Destroyer


Automatically Appended Next Post:
The stupidest thing in this new codex is GA capacity is 10 warriors and min unit size of warriors is 10. Wtf?

Really, not the dedicated transport Praetorians can take but never use?

What makes you think Praetorians can't use a NS?

Jump Infantry.

Jump Infantry cannot go on transports 'unless specifically stated otherwise'. The codex line that says the Praetorians can select a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport fulfills the 'unless specifically stated otherwise'

Only issue with that is the dedicated transport rules don't say anything about ignoring unit types just because you've taken a transport as a dedicated transport. Just because they've selected it does not mean they have to deploy within the transport.

The Praetorians themselves only need to be granted an exception. The codex line that allows them to select a NS as a dedicated transport grants them that exception.

How does it grant them an exception when the rules of DTs do not grant them an exception?

Select =/= Embark.

Technically he seems to be right, permission to take a Dedicated Transport isn't really permission to ignore the restrictions on actually entering it.
But I would slap anyone that tried to argue that in a match

Also: People, please learn to use spoiler-tags or at least remove some quotes.
We have, within one quote, talks about the Destroyer unit-size and NS/TP's.

Kangodo wrote:
Technically he seems to be right, permission to take a Dedicated Transport isn't really permission to ignore the restrictions on actually entering it.
But I would slap anyone that tried to argue that in a match

Also: People, please learn to use spoiler-tags or at least remove some quotes.
We have, within one quote, talks about the Destroyer unit-size and NS/TP's.

Yeah, sorry about that. Honestly, if the discussion about NS goes on any longer it'd be worth bringing it to a new thread YMDC.

It'll likely be FAQ'd in the future anyway.

Kangodo wrote:
Technically he seems to be right, permission to take a Dedicated Transport isn't really permission to ignore the restrictions on actually entering it.
But I would slap anyone that tried to argue that in a match

Also: People, please learn to use spoiler-tags or at least remove some quotes.
We have, within one quote, talks about the Destroyer unit-size and NS/TP's.

The rules simply say Jump infantry cannot 'unless specifically stated otherwise.'

At issue really is whether the express permission the Praetorians have to take the NS as a dedicated transport fulfills the 'unless specifically stated otherwise.'

Intent is clear and 'stated otherwise' is vague so I see no issue taking the obvious.

Made a new thread in YMDC for Nightscythe rules:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/633742.page#7553877

Kangodo wrote:
Pfff, the Apocalypse Infinite Phalanx requires 10 units of Warriors.
Which means it went from a 50 model minimum to a minimum of 100 Warriors.
And that sucks, seeing as I own exactly 99 Necron Warriors!

I got 99 problems but a b**** ain't one.

Wait Destroyers are Minimum 1 Model a unit. Cause if so Holy Crap , the Decurion Formation is going to be crazy insane then.

Hollismason wrote:
Wait Destroyers are Minimum 1 Model a unit. Cause if so Holy Crap , the Decurion Formation is going to be crazy insane then.

How many times do we need to repeat it
The unit is 1-6.
The Formation makes it 3-6.